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Thanks for the close-up Bill,
The color of your bird puts mine to shame now.That bird you have there is awesome.
Thanks for the help and the pics.
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Thanks Mike for the complement. And thanks Alan for the suggestion. But I have read many of the genetic color stuff on the net, by some of the top people in the field. And have read ALL of our bulletins including the article on the Color 101. I’ve learned the basic four color groups and can ‘genetically’ go along w/ the idea(s). But after that, things start to fall apart pretty fast.
The old artist in me, finds it very difficult to be looking at a ‘tan’, or a ‘kaki’ or a ‘buff’ color. And then call it “a yellow bird”.
Like wise I can look at a “true blue bar” and see a ‘bluish gray’ color.
But when I look at my ‘silver’ bar w/ bronzing.
I find it (again) difficult to see much, if any ‘blue’ color in him. Now for genetic color breeding, I know it’s good to know what groups the colors are in. As to know what MIGHT pop up after the first molt. But for descriptions on pics/ in e-mails/ on the phone. I find my brain has to go off in all kind of directions, pulling up all kinds of descriptive colors, not to mention going into all the dilute forms of a colors.
I mean…, if I’m selling a “yellow barred” cоck. Now which color is he? I know for breeding, he falls under the ‘red group’. But what color IS HE !! Is he a kaki, a buff, a cream, a tan, a lite brown, a dark brown or as one man said to me a biscuit color.
So you see, I find all these color names rather far fetched, when it come to a descriptive name. For breeding, of course. But to me, a black bird, is a black bird. Forget the T pattern stuff….. 
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Well, see there, you are making progress. Once you understand the three base colors of Pigeons, that every Pigeon is one of those; either Ash Red, Blue or Brown. Then you go to the 4 patterns and understand every Pigeon is also one of those; T-Check, Check, Bar or Barless. If you can understand those two principles, you have your foundation built.
Then on most Pigeons the modifiers are built onto that foundation. Let me give you an example using your nice Husband bird. His base color is one of the three; either Ash Red, Blue or Brown. It has to be one of them. We have decided it is Blue. OK
Now, what is his pattern? Is it T-Check, Check, Bar or Barless. OK.. we know it is Bar.
So, that means, so far we have a Blue that's a Bar. That makes his foundation a Blue Bar.
Then we start building on that. We know he has the modifiers Smoky and he has Ember. These two modifiers are added to the Blue and the Bar to give him his final look, which makes his common name Tuff or whatever you may call him. His genetic name is Smoky Ember Blue Bar.
I know it gets confusing with all the common names mixed in. But in understanding color genetics, it's best to know the genetic terms first. It's like the scientific names for animals. Those are the universal names that everyone can understand. Common names can be just about anything. For instance Streptopelia risoria is the scientific name for the Ringneck Dove. But the common names are many, including Ringneck Dove, Ring Dove Barbary Dove and others.
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It's as simple as that. That's your foundation. Then whenever you add another modifier gene to the foundation it changes the color or pattern of the bird. Sometimes drastically, sometimes very little.
Let's take a bird for example and build on it to give it it's final color.
First off, let's say the bird's base color is Blue and it's pattern is Checker. Now we have a Blue Checker. Add the modifier Recessive Red and you can't even see that that bird is Blue Checker underneath. Then you add Dilute and the bird is "Yellow" as we call it. So genetically the bird's color genes are Blue Check Recessive Red Dilute. or simply Recessive Yellow.
It's similar to painting. You just keep adding a certain painted color pattern to a canvas and each time to add another one, you get a different result. But in the case of Pigeons, you are adding modifying color genes.
There's a rule for inheritance for each one of these genes.. but that's another story.
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Alan I like the way you explained it.Thanks.
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You are welcome 
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