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 Fetelor, propuneti voi ceva... (de exemplu: "Cu batic sau fara batic"? Asta-i intrebarea!!!)
Ce parere aveti? Este o cerinta a Bibliei sau a traditiei ca femeia sa poarte batic?
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FARA!!!!
SA SI-L PUNA EI!!!!
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HA! HA! H! (Mi-am inghitzit ultimul A de ras!) Buna si asta cu baticu'
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Re: Fetelor, propuneti voi ceva... (de exemplu: "Cu batic sau fara batic"? Asta-i intrebarea!!!)
Ma intreb care ar fi reactia unei biserici in care problema baticului o intrece pe oricare alta,daca ar face parte dintr-un serviciu de inchinare al unui trib de maori.Femei imbracate in fuste din ierburi,cu tatuaje pe buze,barbati tatuati pe fata,in locul vreunei cintari in comun mai mult sau mai putin prelungita,un dans razboinic in cinstea lui TE Ariki(Isus).Nu cred ca au simtit vreo ingrijorare cind au citit celebrul verset despre faptul ca femeile sa aiba capul acoperit.Despre sinceritatea inchinarii garantez.Si vobesc doar despre o singura cultura.
Am mai auzit undeva ca daca nu ai batic,pur si simplu rugaciunea nu e ascultata.Nu stiu cum se face dar privind crestinismul adevarat care trimite misionari,creeaza muzica,doneaza si sustine practic tot ce se intimpla bun pe fata pamintului,nu vad nici o urma de vreun batic,de orice culoare religioasa.Indiscutabil daca baticul se leaga in fata sau in spate!
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Re: Fetelor, propuneti voi ceva... (de exemplu: "Cu batic sau fara batic"? Asta-i intrebarea!!!)
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pakeha a scris:
....Nu stiu cum se face dar privind crestinismul adevarat care trimite misionari,creeaza muzica,doneaza si sustine practic tot ce se intimpla bun pe fata pamintului,nu vad nici o urma de vreun batic,de orice culoare religioasa.Indiscutabil daca baticul se leaga in fata sau in spate!
YES, YES, YES!!!
Intotdeauna m-a bulversat ura acestor oameni! Ei sustin ca vor sfintenie, dar sunt in stare sa te manance daca nu le faci mofturile! Ce sa spun! Halal sfintenie mai au si ei! Cred ca sunt mai multe si mai clare versetele din biblie care vorbesc impotriva maniei, rautatii, mandriei si urii care ii caracterizeaza pe ei. Ar trebui sa se pocaiasca ei si sa nu mai forteze femeile cum sa se imbrace!
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Am pus o predică pe subiectul acesta pe pagina de predici - vezi la "Broboada"...
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Eu cred ca nu baticul inseamna ceva, ci ascultarea de porunca lui Dumnezeu. Respectul de Dumnezeu. Prin faptul caci il porti chiar si atunci cind altii i-ti spun caci arati ca o baba. Deci acum 20 de ani si mai de mult era valabila porunca de a purta batucul inaintea lui Dumnezeu, si acum noi spunem; caci nu am inteles Cuvintul D-lui, ca de fapt era doar o traditie. Numai cele care sint calauzite de Duhul D-lui inteleg. Dar de ce oare nu se mai face minuni in bisericile D-lui de 20 de ani incoace?, oare ascultarea de D-zeu este mai mare ca atunci? sau ascultarea de EUL nostru este mai mare in asa fel incit ne deranjeaza un adevar. Sau cind ne invata cineva, ne aratam cine sintem.
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Re: Fetelor, propuneti voi ceva... (de exemplu: "Cu batic sau fara batic"? Asta-i intrebarea!!!)
Imi pare rau ca nu am gasit in romaneste explicatia din limba greaca, dar sper sa intelegeti majoritatea; oricum daca vreti traducerea, va puteti adresa cuiva.
1 Corinthians 11:5 "But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoreth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven".
In the Greek text we read: "But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth akatakalypto te kephale dishonoreth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven"
"A-kata-kaluptos": A compound word from:
"a": as a negative particle.
"kata": prep. denoting down in place or time.
"kalupto" : to cover. From this the noun "kalumma" : a covering, a veil is derived.
"Akatakaluptos": not wholly covered.
"te": definite article, f., dat., sg.
"Kephale": head
So "akatakalupto te kephale" means: having the head not wholly covered.
Likewise in 11:13 we read: "Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?" (akatakalupton).
In 11:15 we read: "But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering".
Instead of "covering", in the Greek text the word "perivolaion" is used.
Perivolaion : a noun derived from the verb perivallo
"Perivallo" is a compound verb from the preposition peri : around and the verb vallo : to throw, to place. So "perivallo" means to throw or place all around and not to place over in order to cover. The noun "perivolaion" and the verb "perivallo" are different from the noun "covering" and the verb "cover".
They show that something is thrown around not in order to cover and hide but as an expression of tender mercy (Mt. 25:36,38) or grace and glory (Mt. 6:29, Rev.7:9, 10:1, 12:1, 19:8,13.) and the best translational approximation, for 1Cor.11:5 might be: "honorable surrounding"
So according to the above the long hair, as a natural propensity from God, is glory to the women and is given to them not as a substitute for covering but as a further expression of God's will for her to have her head covered, when praying or prophesying.
1 Corinthians 11:10 "For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels"
In the Greek text instead of power the word exousia is used, meaning authority.
In some ancient versions (Versio Hieronymi and versio Protobohairica) we read: "For this cause ought the woman to have Kalumma ( - covering) on her head because of the angels".
This means that angels are present during prayer and the women must be in godly position and apparel, having their head covered.
(Oricum, daca cineva vrea sa traduca, este liber sa o faca, dar in concordanta cu textul din greaca, limba din care s-a tradus Noul Testament- multumesc).
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