Lanoni
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1) This is a nice para/ele build that would be mainly anti-caster imo. My biggest complaint is that the elite skill has such a high adrenaline cost. The modifiers would be using a sup rune of spear mastery and headpiece(+4) and a minor rune of Leadership (+1)
http://gw.gamependium.com/tools/builds/template/?key=ApNCqusl6cOKxwY5tCWI3OdaA
2) This is a nice para/war build that was better pre-nerf, but still has good potential imo. Again, can be made your own with a bit of tweaking. The modifier would to use a superior rune of Leadership and headpiece (+4). (Personally on my para I have each sup rune in each of the same type of headgear so that i am able to switch it out at will. The other pieces of my armor contain the new runes that relieve conditions at a faster rate.) This is a nice build to take with a fire ele in tow. I understand that if you give this build to your paragon hero, you need to give him the full amount of attribute points for it to be effective; I have not tested this, but will soon.
http://gw.gamependium.com/tools/builds/template/?key=AZMCqamS8oUAfW4es7uCfil3A
3) This is a sweet fire build that also helps to keep damage being done to the party down at least some of the time. I would keep the glyph in if you were going to have searing flames in the build. I run this many times without SF or the Glyph so that I can carry a rez and maybe even a cap sig or more likely Lightbringers Gaze. The Modifier here is to have the sup leadership rune in your head.
http://gw.gamependium.com/tools/builds/template/?key=ApNCaqkl8Q36xV4WMMWergRGA
The downside to a couple of these builds is arguably that if you carry a shield based on the paragon class it will probably do you no good without command or motivation in the build. Now what did I do with that Peppermint shield...
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Hmm... I'm generally iffy about using Superior Runes. Generally because -75 HP is a huge hit to take. And the one point advantage I get instead of say, major (Not to mention the bargain basement price of them), seems kinda like a bad trade to me...
And I can't tell you how many times I've squeeked out victory by having less than 40 HP in PvP... (Difference between Major and Superior)
Still, there are neat ideas in there...
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The debate about using Supeior runes will likely go on all the way until GW2 is released. It all depends on whether or not the extra points actually make a big enough difference to matter. Some skills have certain break points where that extra attribute point makes all the difference in the world.
The big advantage about using a Superior rune is that it allows you to spend more points elsewhere, perhaps allowing you to run 3 attribute lines effectively.
As far as the builds go, I like the first one, but I would be worried about getting into touch range on a Paragon. The adrenaline cost is a but much, but without many other adrenal skills, I dont't think it would be much of a challenege to build up 10.
The second build confuses me. is it a damage build, a support build, or something different altogether. And again, you get a Paragon into melee range. Does that work? I'm Paragon illiterate.
Of them all, I really like the Searing Flames build. I've seen that skill used in concert with Paragons and "They're on Fire" as well as Anthem of Flame. I never would have thought about putting them all on one character. I'll tell you this though, SF can be a real pain to cap. At least it was for me.
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The big advantage about using a Superior rune is that it allows you to spend more points elsewhere, perhaps allowing you to run 3 attribute lines effectively.
That's interesting! I'm not trying to hijack this thread into a rune discussion, but I just wanted to say that I've always thought that the big advantage to superior runes was that you could go above the attribute point cap if you want to be super effective in one line... a line that would truly benefit, like death magic for a MM necro. I can see where you're coming from, as it truly will allow you to spread out more effectively. I've just never tried that, myself. I've never used more than one superior rune at a time... and I never thought it was worth the -75 HP if the attribute wasn't worth capping in the first place. I may need to adjust my way of thinking to open myself up to more diverse builds. I may have to start messing with major runes as well. I wouldn't touch them before when they were -50... now that they are -35 I think they are worth playing with.
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Dannzzigg wrote:And again, you get a Paragon into melee range. Does that work? I'm Paragon illiterate.
Actually the armor you have on a para is really nice, so imo it can work well, but again, it's a new class and I am still testing some stuff out myself. I like the ToF/SF build best too; the damage in theory is unreal.
I hope more people will realize that the para has a lot ot offer in many situations. I think it's a great class, but like the assassin it rarely understood well or played to it's full potential. Too bad so many people give these great classes a bad reputation.
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Dannzzigg wrote:And again, you get a Paragon into melee range. Does that work? I'm Paragon illiterate.
The paragon's base armor gives them 80 armor. Like the warrior, they also only get two pips total energy regen. I'm not very knowledgeable on paragons either, but that's some powerful armor for a ranged character. I would like to know how a melee paragon build works out.
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LanoniI hope more people will realize that the para has a lot ot offer in many situations. I think it's a great class, but like the assassin it rarely understood well or played to it's full potential. Too bad so many people give these great classes a bad reputation.
That's so true. Not for just paragons, but for other classes as well. And not just in GW. People tend to pigeonhole characters into certain specific roles... many of which are roles that seem to originate from Everquest. You're either a tank, healer, nuker, etc. If you don't match one of those basic roles, people think you are useless. People need to think outside of the box and realize that there are a lot of different uses for different classes and class configurations. I see people whine all the time when someone brings a smite monk into a random arena. I've also seen the same smite monks rip the other team to shreds. Why do people whine about it? Because it's a monk line. People think of monks as only healers and support... so a monk that is anything else (in their mind) would be useless. The funny thing is, people wouldn't complain if the smite skills belonged to the elementalist. If an ele was playing with the exact same build as a smite monk, nobody would think anything of it.
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We capped SF tonight in Nightfall. I think that place is fairly easy to get it from; if anyone wants to get it I would be happy to help.
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I have played Eles as Smite Monks. Mostly because I was getting tired of playing a Smite Monk, but getting the "he's a healer" type attention.  It's a bit harder to pull off if you get swarmed.
Which is why I love Camouflage builds. Like the Axe Warrior Paragon. If you can stack a secondary class beneath your outer appearance, it's less likely someone will hit you with the appropriate counter.
I used to do this all the time with a W/Me running Illusionary Weapon. I would end up attracting Blindbot attention... but oddly enough, the Shatter Enchantments never seemed to come my way.
As opposed to what happens when I go Me/W...
Got a chance to test out the Axe Warrior Paragon in AvA. I gotta say it was a lot of fun in there. It's a good answer to MMs, always a plus in that game type. Not to mention it makes it quite easy to shrine cap.
Well, except the Elite Elementalist Shrine. But everything pretty much has trouble with that. I've yet to see a non-MM build that could solo them.
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By the way, I used that last build (with lg)in the last couple of missions in NF and it ROCKS! It really helped a lot, imo.
BTW, if anyone needs help defeating Abbadon, shoot us a holler and we'd be happy to help out. It's not such a bad fight if done right, just a bit long.
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