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DreadlocksD
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Re: What is Free-will?
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Alright, I will attempt. I believe free-will is the power to choose as you wish when you are faced with a decision. We are constantly faced with decisions whether we recognize them or not; everything in life is a decision, everything is an option, and based on what is occuring in the moment (soon to be past), is what narrows these options down and let's us choose one or the other. Now we are free to make any decision; this is called free-will. The question is; are we really free to make any decision?
No we are not. We are not because the options that arise are due to decisions that were made, which were reactions to actions, which were based on our enviornment. We make a decision based on our past memories. If something worked for one in the past but did not work for another, then these two individuals will probably act differently when faced with the same situation.
I am not saying that all is predestined, spontanaeity does exist, but there is no free will based on my definition. Is this definition acceptable?
So hypothetically what could free-will be?
What do you all think. Is there any free will? Disprove me.
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The unexamined dread is not worth growing. -Locrates
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11/12/2004, 4:22 pm
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missOrange
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Re: What is Free-will?
Free-will is the essence of being human.
Its just that its hard to recognise it.
like you said, we are always constantly making choices. We choose what to have for dinner, we choose wether to take a shower or wait til tomorrow, we choose to tighten the muscels in our fingers to straighten them adn so on. And we "choose not to chose" (wich offcourse is impossible) bu that meaning we choose to repeat what we did before. Or chose to follow someones advice.
And, i think i belive (but not entirly sure) that it is important to recognise this free will, and choose everything active.
And, there is only two choices! To do or not to do.
So we do have a free will.
pardon my english, my grammar, and my lack of expression-abilitys :shake: :)
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11/16/2004, 10:37 am
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DreadlocksD
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Re: What is Free-will?
Well Miss Orange, beautiful locks by the way, what is your definition of Free-will. Is it merely the fact we have options? Options will come inevitabley, and choices will be made as well.
What I am talking about is; do we really have free will over the decisions we make? What we choose, is it predestined based on our past or is it not?
For example, if something has not worked for me in the past and the same situation comes up; will I choose the one that has not worked? Most often no I believe, but then there is the occasionaly doing what never works, and therefore making the same mistake, or maybe even being successful this time. Now we must consider whether we had formed a habit or not; the forming of habits I believe is a factor we must consider in why we continue to do what has not work for us in the past.
We do not act on something we have not learned yet. We simply have not been given (learned) the options, which is why I call these acquired options 'learned options'. Some of the things you are doing now you would not have done a year ago. Why? You had not gone through the experience or whatever that brought these new options onto you. They are learned options and we are only able to choose between these. Now when we have these learned options, do we really have a choice in what we choose?
If I were to tell you that you would do this rather than that before you even made up your mind, I think you might do just the opposite of what I said to prove me wrong, depending on what it is I suppose.
But this rebellious act in order to prove me wrong; did you really have a choice without my interference? You would not have rebelled against your orginal decision (that you did not know of yet) if I haden't said something to make you want to prove me wrong.
You rebelled because I was a cause in your past. We only act on what we know (our past) and no more until we acquire new options with time and experience.
Do you follow? Tell me what you think.
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The unexamined dread is not worth growing. -Locrates
Natural dreadlocks are the most honest because you do nothing to achieve a look it looks like you did nothing to achieve. -Locrates
If it's not your hair, don't wear. -Locrates
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11/16/2004, 4:08 pm
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Escovar87
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Re: What is Free-will?
god damn derek, if everything is so perfect why do u have to think about everything so much. Free will is the ability to do whatever you want, you think about things way to much.
what is a human? is it a thinking animal, or is it a universe of cells, moving speratly, on their own and we are merely a part of of it and think we are in control of ourselves. who cares man who cares?????
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11/16/2004, 9:17 pm
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Escovar87
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Re: What is Free-will?
dont mean sound harsh or nothin
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11/16/2004, 9:21 pm
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DreadlocksD
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Re: What is Free-will?
It's okay escovar, I understand why you may think I think about things way too much but the truth is, things, and a good understanding of them takes a lot of thinking. everything is as it is, no judgements applied because judgements are relative to the human and only exist in the mind. This is why everything is perfect because it cannot be any other way, this has absolutley nothing to do with the complexity of trying to understand the world around us.
What I am saying is not some major significant information, but it is information and I am trying to learn what others think. If you see something wrong with what i am saying, tell me what you think and try to disprove me, or simply add some of your own insight.
We can learn together.
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The unexamined dread is not worth growing. -Locrates
Natural dreadlocks are the most honest because you do nothing to achieve a look it looks like you did nothing to achieve. -Locrates
If it's not your hair, don't wear. -Locrates
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11/16/2004, 10:25 pm
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Chet walters
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Re: What is Free-will?
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Last edited by Chet walters, 3/22/2005, 3:51 pm
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11/17/2004, 12:01 am
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