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The strange world of Mr.W.o.Poitiers?
Let me introduce you to a world of warped rhetoric, die-hard propaganda and desperate panegyrism...the world of William of Poitiers!
1. The English army were-
"the fiercest of men...always by nature ready to take up the sword"
they had "easily defeated the King of the Norwegians"
they had "resisted bravely" at Hastings and the Norman/Bretons were "terrified by their ferocity"
But soon afterwards they were "never famed for their feats of arms"
2. In one sentence Earl Harold had "honour, wealth and power",
Then, ever after he was dishonest, "greedy" and a "usurper" (Usurping whom? Being lawfully elected King by the ruling powers- and the KING HIMSELF- doesn't make it illegal)...
So, was Harold no longer "such a man as poems liken him to Hector or Turnus"?
Did Poitiers no longer feel the need to have to boost William's image to 'match up' to Harold's strength and martial prowess by stating insecurely "William, his equal and in no way inferior in standing"
But remember- "We do not revile you, Harold"...lol.
3. William had "50,000 men-at-arms" amassing in Normandy before September 1066!
So did over 37,000 desert the French/Breton/ Norman/ Sicilian/ Flemish army before landing in England then? 
4. William "subjugated all the cities of the English in a single day"...
So what of Hereward's revolt of 1071(amongst many large, serious and threatening revolts against the greedy fat 'usurper'- not just by his OWN kinsmen either!), deemed by William to be so serious and Hereward so effective a military leader that he showed up to lead his troops against him in person?
Smacks of ridiculous contradiction, hagiography, warping/hiding of facts and expedient excuse-making, don't ya think?
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Re: The strange world of Mr.W.o.Poitiers?
Housecarl:
Um, like I said in a previous post, I think WoP must have been the medieval equivalent of the White House Press Corps. You know. . . .the king can do no wrong, and all of that. Of course, that didn't apply to the previousruler! 
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Re: The strange world of Mr.W.o.Poitiers?
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Housecarl:
Um, like I said in a previous post, I think WoP must have been the medieval equivalent of the White House Press Corps. You know. . . .the king can do no wrong, and all of that. Of course, that didn't apply to the previousruler!
Anne G
Exactly- it happened like that because we say it happened that way...(*intake of breath*)
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Re: The strange world of Mr.W.o.Poitiers?
Housecarl:
I wonder what WRTF will have to say about that?
Anne G
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Housecarl:
I wonder what WRTF will have to say about that?
Anne G
LOL, erm...probably the same arrogant steaming pile of lying animal droppings that they always spew up?
ie. Whilst failing ingloriously to copy Poitiers' rhetorical and panegyric content and 'style'?
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Re: The strange world of Mr.W.o.Poitiers?
Housecarl:
Maybe they did reply after a fashion. . . .look at that Cluny thread they just put up. It was a howl!
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Housecarl:
Maybe they did reply after a fashion. . . .look at that Cluny thread they just put up. It was a howl!
Anne G
I believe you totally, Anne, but I stopped reading WTF's garbled and pretencious b*****ks ages ago...
Incredible that they have a 'forum' that seriously 'meets' on a regular basis as if they're a town council or something...?
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Housecarl:
I think whoever they are, they're serious. It's just that they are wrong in most of their, um, pronouncements. I wish they'd read their history a little more carefully. 
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Housecarl:
I think whoever they are, they're serious.
Scary indeed- good job WalterMittyForums never get to press the button!
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Let me introduce you to a world of warped rhetoric, die-hard propaganda and desperate panegyrism...the world of William of Poitiers!
1. The English army were-
"the fiercest of men...always by nature ready to take up the sword"
they had "easily defeated the King of the Norwegians"
they had "resisted bravely" at Hastings and the Norman/Bretons were "terrified by their ferocity"
But soon afterwards they were "never famed for their feats of arms"
2. In one sentence Earl Harold had "honour, wealth and power",
Then, ever after he was dishonest, "greedy" and a "usurper" (Usurping whom? Being lawfully elected King by the ruling powers- and the KING HIMSELF- doesn't make it illegal)...
So, was Harold no longer "such a man as poems liken him to Hector or Turnus"?
Did Poitiers no longer feel the need to have to boost William's image to 'match up' to Harold's strength and martial prowess by stating insecurely "William, his equal and in no way inferior in standing"
But remember- "We do not revile you, Harold"...lol.
3. William had "50,000 men-at-arms" amassing in Normandy before September 1066!
So did over 37,000 desert the French/Breton/ Norman/ Sicilian/ Flemish army before landing in England then?
4. William "subjugated all the cities of the English in a single day"...
So what of Hereward's revolt of 1071(amongst many large, serious and threatening revolts against the greedy fat 'usurper'- not just by his OWN kinsmen either!), deemed by William to be so serious and Hereward so effective a military leader that he showed up to lead his troops against him in person?
Smacks of ridiculous contradiction, hagiography, warping/hiding of facts and expedient excuse-making, don't ya think?
Yes, this certainly lays bare the hypocrisy and rotten propaganda campaign that the desperate and usurping Breton-Frank-Normans tried to pull
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