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WilliamtheRed Forum1 wrote:

Anne G
They did try to displace him in 1051,failed and were exiled by the Confessor.Shortly afterwards the Confessor promised the succession in Angleland to the Conqueror.That was the one clear chance that the Usurper had in the lifetime of his father to oust the Confessor.That was the highpoint of the Godwin clan.They fluffed it.To what extent it could be asked did that failure impact not just on the Usurper but on Tostig? If there was to be a Cnutian revival, did 1051 tell him that it would not be through his father's "leadership" but from Scandinavia? No one should underestimate the impact of The Danish Revolution 1016-35 every shire in Angleland received new Danish landlords.Many Angles Saxons etc were expelled from their lands and many were killed resisting.The true heir to Angleland's throne, Eadwig was assassinated on Cnut's orders as were other dissenting nobles. That was what the Godwin clan identified with.But what must have been clear after 1051 (1052 return notwithstanding) was that Godwin's leadership could not deliver. It follows then that Tostig's viking solution strategy with Hardraada may have taken root intellectually as early as 1051.

Hugo (personal capacity)

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WilliamtheRed Forum1 wrote:

Anne G, since this particular horse called revolution has been flogged so many times on this Chatboard its bringing tears to my eyes for all the cruelty the beastie is suffering,shall I make it a wee bit simpler for you? Do you no understand that rotation as in the functioning of a wheel means the movement from one point in orbit to another and as a result the wheel in question is no the same again? Angleland was that wheel.

Sammy (personal capacity)

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