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SERIOUS SITUATION IN ARGENTINA
13 days ago, the government has ordered a large increase in taxes to farmers.
Producers decided to initiate, as a protest, a strike for an unlimited period.
This has resulted in, they begin to fail, foodstuffs.
Our country, essentially is a producer of cereals. meat, vegetables, dairy.
During those 13 days, the government has not said anything.
Today, our president, gave a speech, practically, insulting producers.
As a result of that message, the producers have decided to cut access to ALL, routes in the country. As you can see, long lines of trucks stopped -
Tonight, spontaneously, the people, have come to the streets to repudiate the message of government.
The government has sent his thugs, a contramarcha and "deter" those who demonstrate against the President.
Already there have been the first confrontation between the two sectors.
I think that we expected a long night .....

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I am truly saddened by the events befalling your country. It is especially bad that it involves, not something we could think as frivolous or purely entertainment...but something vital. FOOD. Feeding people!
I pray that cooler heads will prevail and life returns to something like normal...but better!
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Let this be a lesson, insulting people doesn't work if you are President. People tend not to like it.
Sorry to hear about the problems, I hope its fixed soon
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Thanks friends, but the situation this far, to reach a solution. I found this article, in English ,..... it may be more clear, that my translations .....
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Argentine farmers protest export tax hike
Argentine farmers angrily protested an increase in export taxes by mounting roadblocks and snarling traffic in parts of the country.
Posted on Wed, Mar. 26, 2008
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BY VINOD SREEHARSHA AND JACK CHANG
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More than two years of tensions between Argentina's government and the country's powerful farm sector have exploded as farmers have set up roadblocks and refused to release their production to protest an export tax increase on some products.
On Tuesday, farmers had mounted some 150 roadblocks throughout this 40 million-person country, snarling traffic on some of the country's principal highways. They also have refused to release much of their production, leading to shortages at markets.
President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner added fuel to the fire Tuesday night by strongly denouncing the farmers and accusing them of ingratitude for protesting while earning record profits. Farmers and their supporters reacted immediately, filling streets around the country condemning the speech.
''I will not yield to any extortion,'' Fernández de Kirchner said in the televised speech from the presidential palace. ``I can understand the interests of the sector, but I want them to understand that I have to govern for the interests of all Argentines.''
According to TV reports, cars honked and thousands of protesters poured into the streets in several areas of Buenos Aires and in front of the presidential palace, banging pots and pans, waving flags and holding signs denouncing the speech.
The demonstrations, which will hit the two-week mark Wednesday, target a new system of export taxes on soybeans and sunflowers that farmers say would bankrupt small- and medium-sized farms. The new system also slightly lowered taxes on wheat and corn exports.
Government officials counter that farmers have earned record profits as international commodity prices have soared over the past two years and can afford to pay the higher taxes. The new system raises taxes when prices rise and reduces them when prices fall.
The new taxes now claim 40 percent of revenue from soybean exports, according to the Argentine Agrarian Federation. Soybean production is booming and accounts for almost 60 percent of all land used in Argentina for agriculture.
Manufactured farm products and raw materials, which include agricultural products, constituted 64 percent of the country's exports in January, according to government figures. Much of the country's farm products go to China, Europe and the United States.
''There's a threshold that's been crossed and expectations that haven't been met,'' said Argentine political analyst Felipe Noguera. ``The farmers feel like they haven't been listened to, and it's fed into this outburst of anger.''
Tensions have simmered since former President Néstor Kirchner began imposing export bans two years ago on some cuts of beef to control rising prices. Price controls and export bans on wheat and other products followed, further enraging farmers.
Kirchner's wife, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, became president in December promising to build a social pact among farmers, workers and other sectors to contain prices. Economists estimate inflation hit almost 20 percent last year in Argentina, more than double the widely questioned official numbers.
Farmers, however, said Fernández de Kirchner had unilaterally raised taxes instead of negotiating and that enough was enough. Nearly all of Argentina's soybean production is exported.
''The tariffs were the drop that overturned the entire glass,'' said Nicolás Bossio, a spokesman for the agrarian federation. ``The government is doing this purposefully to concentrate everything in their hands and take away resources from the sector. They're not interested in dialogue.''
Farmers said Tuesday that they would continue with the blockades and production strike until the government canceled the tax hike but would send milk and other more perishable goods into the market.
Police have cleared a few of the road blockades, while truck drivers allied with the government have confronted some farmers on highways.
Government officials said they imposed the new tax to protect the domestic market from international price fluctuations as well as to contain the growth of soybean cultivation, which they said was crowding out other crops.
The government has refused to negotiate with farmers until they stop the strikes.
The protests effects have been felt in Buenos Aires, where 40 percent of butcher shops were closed Tuesday for lack of business and 90 percent of supermarkets also reported meat shortages, according to the nonprofit Consumer Education Center.
''In 30 years, I have never experienced an impact this severe, '' said Daniel Ramondy, owner of a Buenos Aires butcher shop.
Sreeharsha is a special correspondent for McClatchy, who reported from Buenos Aires. Chang reported from Rio de Janeiro.
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Oh hon, I hope things get resolved soon.
How are you and your family coping?
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quote: Queenyforever wrote:
Oh....My Sister! That is truly horrible! Of course, as normal....the ones who are hurt here are the innocent people just trying to feed they're families!
Are these protests or riots, close to your house?
Are there dangers for you and the boys?
I was gonna ask along these lines too..
I hope it get's sorted soon Mariel :squ:
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Hope everything is okay for you Mariel and that you are not caught up in the rioting. *hugs*
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Thank to all, my dear friends for his words and for being next to me, once more!
What began as a protest of a sector of agriculture, by rising retentions, "thank you" to the "arrogance" of our Mrs. President, and your inadmissible message, with the passage of hours, get more accessions.
The common people, to support this claim, of the agricultural sector.
Too also, the sectors of transport, industry, and smaller producers.
This morning, we tried to get food, but supermarkets are no longer goods (no meat, vegetables or dairy products).
Despite these problems, people are next to the protest.
The cuts routes are peaceful, no problems, and we are good.
When this protest ends, it required at least 2 weeks, so that the goods, return to be in supermarkets.
We have reserves of food, at least for a few days ....
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Hubby and I too pray that everything gets back to normal 'REAL SOON' and that you and your family remain safe...
I'm like Queeny, I wish we could send a box or two of dry goods to you and your family to tide you over this period of unrest in your country...but like Queeny said it would more than likely be confiscated before it could reach you.
Stay safe and we will definitely keep you and yours in our prayers.
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At least you have food for a few days and then hopefully things will get better so you have more soon! *hugs*
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I received this email from Mariel...
I don't think she will mind if I put it in here, it helps keep you all updated..Keep her and the boys in your hearts, gang....
quote: I ask forgiveness, not to be on the board today.
We had another day of high tension in our country.
Our President has taken another message ,.... was noticed more "peaceful"....but, his message has not convinced almost anyone. The situation continued unchanged.
The boys and I are fine. This morning, I got a bit of food.
As that my messages are not very consistent, we send this article, the New York Times, to give you an idea. The article does not reflect reality, in its entirety.......
I love you much sister, and you need ....
BIG HUGS AND LOVE FOR YOU!
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Argentine Leader Urges Farmers to Lift Strike
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BUENOS AIRES (Reuters) - Argentine President Cristina Fernandez urged farmers on Thursday to call off a strike and start talks to end two weeks of protests that have paralyzed exports and left meat counters bare.
Fernandez is under mounting pressure to resolve the strike, which has seen middle-class Argentines protesting in the cities to support the farmers in scenes reminiscent of the political crisis that rocked the country in 2001/02.
The center-left president struck a defiant tone in a speech to supporters and said the strike amounted to extortion, although she also urged farmers to start talks.
"The government's doors are open but please, lift this strike for the sake of the people," she said, defending the taxes on soy exports that triggered the protest as a way to share the spoils of soaring global grains prices with Argentina's poor.
A more strident speech by the president earlier this week inspired farmers to dig in their heels with the protests, but the immediate response from some strike leaders on Thursday appeared more receptive.
"This is a call to good sense, it's a call for negotiations in a tone very well suited to calm this situation. In my opinion, this opens the dialogue," said Hugo Biolcati, vice president of the Argentine Rural Society, one of the farm groups leading the strike.
But at several road blocks protests across the country, farmers vowed to stay put.
"The fight goes on, I think we have to carry on and not ease up," said Alfredo de Angelis, an Agrarian Federation leader in Entre Rios province.
HALTING EXPORTS
By holding products back from market, the farmers have halted grain exports from Argentina, an agricultural powerhouse, and affected soy buyers in Europe and China.
Groups of small and large farmers maintained their road blocks on key rural highways on Thursday and held marches and protests in cities throughout the grain-growing heartland.
Even if strike leaders decide to suspend the strike when they meet on Friday, it is not clear if farmers manning the roadblocks will pull them down because many are furious at the government over the tax hike.
Some restaurants and stores were running low on beef, chicken and dairy products.
"We're not offering meat since yesterday because we ran out of our small reserve," said Roberto, a waiter at a restaurant-bar in downtown Buenos Aires.
Middle-class protesters banged pots and pans in the streets of the capital for the third night running on Thursday to support the strikers, although in smaller numbers.
The protests have prompted comparisons to pan-banging protests that ousted a president in 2001.
The farmers are protesting a new sliding-scale tax, which would replace a fixed tax and make levies on soy exports significantly higher at current prices. They say the higher tax would harm smaller farmers.
But they are also expressing frustration with Fernandez' authoritarian style of decreeing policy. Fernandez and her husband, ex-President Nestor Kirchner, have angered farmers with export bans and price controls on their products, aimed at taming inflation and boosting government revenue.
"Beyond the economic issues, what's at stake is the dignity of growers," said Jose Apestaguia, a rancher and grain grower in the agricultural town of Pergamino.
The government earlier this week warned it would use force to break up barricades on highways, but Fernandez made no such threat on Thursday.
Ironically, Argentina has been one of the main beneficiaries of a global surge in commodities prices and the economy has been booming for five years, rebounding from a deep crisis in 2001-2002.
The standoff illustrates the country's deep disagreement over how to spread around the windfall profit -- Argentina's soy receipts totaled $13.47 billion last year.
Fernandez says farmers are getting wealthy off cheap labor and subsidized fuel, and argues the higher export taxes on soy and other products will help the 25 percent of Argentines who are poor.
(Additional reporting by Fiona Ortiz and Nicolas Misculin in Buenos Aires, Editing by Kieran Murray)
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I've been thinking about Mariel and her family, hoping to hear from her to see how she is coping.
I hope that everything gets resolved in a way that is fair to everyone.
If I thought it would get through I'd send a food package, but as Queeny's already mentioned it is probable that it wouldn't make it to Mariel.
Instead I am doing all I can, and that is to keep Mariel & family in my thoughts and send them all the love that I can, as well as asking all The Powers That Be keep a watchful eye on them and protect them from any harm.
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Thank you all for being with me and my children, these days really tough , we are going on.
They have no idea how important it is to feel that one is not alone.
Today has been a day of tense waiting, after the message of the President, yesterday.
The Chief of Staff, the Minister of Economy, and the Secretary of Agriculture, this afternoon starting at 6:00 pm, received in his office, to the Producers.
After 16 consecutive days, the four entities of agriculture announced that they decided to suspend the measure of strength, "maintaining a state of alert and mobilization to the edge routes." BUT, JUST FOR A FEW HOURS, to know the outcome of the meeting.
This has allowed the trucks with mercaderias, begin to move.
The reunion, even continuous ,.... ALL depends on the Government's proposals.
Small producers, are going to stay all night, at the edge of the road, so, faced with a negative response, restarting cuts ALL routes.......
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Last night, the meeting has ended, close to 1:00 am, without any solution.
It has called for a new meeting for next Monday ,.... but, in some parts of the country, have return the route cuts, again ..... I think that this problem is not going to have a solution in the short term.....
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BUENOS AIRES (Reuters) - Argentine farmers on Friday called off a 16-day strike that has halted grains exports and emptied meat counters, but a lasting resolution to the conflict appeared distant after the first negotiations.
Leaders of the country's four biggest agricultural groups said they had decided to lift their strike against higher taxes on grains exports because President Cristina Fernandez had made that a condition for talks.
Argentina is one of the world's leading exporters of soy, corn, wheat and beef and the strike has halted trade to major partners such as China and Europe.
It also sparked three nights of pot-banging protests by city residents for the first time since a 2001-02 political and economic crisis, landing Fernandez with her biggest crisis since taking office in December.
"The objective is to facilitate a meeting with the national government, after which we will evaluate the results, which will be submitted to the rank-and-file nationwide," the farm groups said in a statement. A meeting with the government began soon after.
However, the farmers said they would maintain a "state of alert" at road block protests and the reaction to the opening talks with government officials was cool.
"This doesn't resolve our problems, the problems that caused us to start (the strike)," said Mario Llambias, president of the CRA federation, after the meeting.
Farmers have been angered by a string of government measures aimed at taming food inflation in recent years, including export bans and price controls, but it was the introduction of a sliding-scale tax regime for grains exports that sparked the strike. The new system hikes the levies on soy products at current prices.
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After starting their strike on March 13, farmers had stopped trucks carrying farm products, causing shortages of meat and some dairy goods in grocery stores nationwide.
Despite the farm leaders' decision to suspend the measure, it was not clear to what extent rank-and-file farmers would follow their orders.
Protesting farmers at one road block in Entre Rios province kept up their blockade. "We're in exactly the same position, so the agricultural strike goes on," said Alfredo de Angelis of the Agrarian Federation.
They want the government to scrap the new tax regime, which Fernandez has defended as a way to protect shoppers from the rising cost of basic food and redistribute wealth in a country where nearly a quarter of the population lives in poverty.
Cabinet Chief Alberto Fernandez instead proposed measures to protect the interests of small-scale farmers during the late-night meeting. More talks were proposed for Monday.
Argentine bond prices slumped during the strike and the peso slid to five-month lows as the lack of export trade dried up dollar flows and alarmed investors.
Alberto Ramos, senior economist with Goldman Sachs in New York, said the fallout of the dispute might see Fernandez's center-left administration adopt "more conventional and orthodox" policies.
"The silver lining of the demonstrations we've seen in the last few days could be enough pressure on the government to change a little bit the course," he said.
The protest shut grain and livestock markets and disrupted trade, forcing some exporters to renege on their contracts.
U.S. traders said ships with capacity for 1 million tonnes of soymeal, 600,000 tonnes of soybeans and 400,000 tonnes of corn were waiting to be loaded in Argentina.
However, exports will not get back to normal immediately.
"It will take a while to move the supplies into position. Any near-term business ... would still come to the United States for the next couple of weeks," said Citigroup analyst Mario Balletto.
(Additional reporting by Nicolas Misculin and Lucas Bergman in Buenos Aires, Lisa Shumaker in Chicago and Walter Brandimarte in New York)
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*sending good thoughts your way*
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Thank you all for your good wishes , my dear friends .... but unfortunately, the news is not good. This afternoon, it was decided to continue the strike, and cuts routes....
quote: Argentine farmers return to barricades
Posted on Sat, Mar. 29, 2008
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Farmers chafing at export taxes on their crops set up new blockades of rural highways on Saturday after talks failed to end a dispute that has halted grain exports and emptied supermarket shelves of meat.
Eduardo Buzzi, a leader of one of four striking farm groups, said a marathon round of negotiations that ended early Saturday failed to yield a breakthrough and that farmers might not attend the next round of talks called by the government to start on Monday.
''We went to negotiate and it turned out that the dialogue consisted of talking in vague generalities,'' Buzzi told Argentine Radio 10. ``As such we doubt there will be a meeting on Monday.''
On Saturday, farmworkers resumed highway blockades in four rural provinces -- Entre Rios, Cordoba, Santa Fe and Chaco. The move came a day after farmers called a ''truce'' and temporarily lifted barricades to allow bargaining to begin on disputed tax hikes.
Small farmers are protesting that they have been unfairly hit by a March 11 presidential decree that hiked export taxes on soybeans from 35 percent to as much as 45 percent, and slapped new duties on other farm exports. President Kristina Fernández says the measure is intended to help stem rising inflation.
For more than two weeks, the farmers have led road blockades that choked off the flow of farm goods to major cities, emptying supermarket shelves and virtually paralyzing exports of beef, soybeans and wheat from this agricultural powerhouse.
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