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Oh, you have the same speech processing problems that I do! I have exceptionally good hearing, and my hearing is hypersensitive on some sounds (high-pitched sounds and short, sharp noises are painful), but speech gives me trouble. If I'm on a train or in a crowded food court with someone and they are talking I won't hear a word they say. And sometimes it will take me a second to register what someone has said, so I have a few conversations like this
"Rachel, *** *** blah etc?"
"What- oh, yeah."
Sometimes if someone is talking and they mention an unfamiliar place or name, I won't process it properly, so I'll hear something like
"Hi, I'm blah and I live at blahblah".
But apart from that I have exceptionally good hearing, perfect pitch and a very strong response to music.
I didn't fall asleep. Perception is one of my biggest areas of interest.
While we're on the subject of this, have you heard of autism or Asperger's syndrome? You can find summaries here
http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php
and here
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Those are quizzes to tell if you have it or not. I have a VERY strongly suspected, but undiagnosed (I don't see it as a problem, just as another way of seeing the world) case of Asperger's syndrome, and the questions in the first quiz pretty much describe me perfectly.
The links that I put it the Million Long Thread
http://www.wrongplanet.net
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http://isnt.autistics.org
are websites made by and for autistic and Asperger-y people.
My speech processing difficulties (and perfect pitch etc) are all related to the Asperger's.
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An alternative set of criteria. This is stolen from Tony Attwood's website, http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/, and is also a perfect description of me.
The Discovery of "Aspie" Criteria
The Discovery of "Aspie" Criteria
by Attwood and Gray
Carol Gray and Tony Attwood Fall 1999
Carol Gray with Tony and Liane Holliday-Willey
Some of this century’s best discoveries were creative and determined efforts to answer "What if…?" questions. What if people could fly? What if electrical energy could be harnessed to produce light? What if there was an easily accessible, international communication and information network? The answers have resulted in permanent changes: air travel, light bulbs, the Internet. These discoveries have rendered their less effective counterparts to relative extinction from use: gone is the stagecoach, gas lighting, and multi-volume hardbound encyclopedias. These improvements remind us of our option and ability to experiment, re-mold, re-think, and imagine. In that spirit, this article submits a new question: What if Asperger’s Syndrome was defined by its strengths? What changes might occur?
Moving from Diagnosis to Discovery
Making any diagnosis requires attention to weaknesses, the observation and interpretation of signs and symptoms that vary from typical development or health. Certainly it would be a little disarming to visit a doctor for a diagnosis, only to have her inquire, "So, what feels absolutely great?" The DSM IV (American Psychiatric Association, 1994) assists in the identification of a variety of disorders. It is used by psychiatrists and other mental health professionals to match observed weaknesses, symptoms and behaviours to text. In DSM IV Asperger’s Syndrome is identified by specific diagnostic criteria, a constellation of observed social and communication delays and/or deviations. Once diagnosed, a child or adult with the diagnosis is referred to with politically correct "people first" terminology, i.e. a person with Asperger’s Syndrome.
Unlike diagnosis, the term discovery often refers to the identification of a person’s strengths or talents. Actors are discovered. Artists and musicians are discovered. A great friend is discovered. These people are identified by an informal combination of evaluation and awe that ultimately concludes that this person – more than most others – possesses admirable qualities, abilities, and/or talents. It’s an acknowledgment that, "…you know, he’s better than me at….". In referring to people with respect to their talents or abilities, politically correct "people first" terminology is not required; labels like musician, artist, or poet are welcomed and considered complimentary.
If Asperger’s Syndrome was identified by observation of strengths and talents, it would no longer be in the DSM IV, nor would it be referred to as a syndrome. After all, a reference to someone with special strengths or talents does not use terms with negative connotations (it’s artist and poet, not Artistically Arrogant or Poetically Preoccupied), nor does it attach someone’s proper name to the word syndrome (it’s vocalist or soloist, not Sinatra’s Syndrome). Focusing on strengths requires shedding the former diagnostic term, Asperger’s Syndrome, for a new term. The authors feel that Aspie, used in self-reference by Liane Holliday Wiley in her new book, Pretending to be Normal (1999), is a term that seems right at home among it’s talent-based counterparts: soloist, genius, aspie, dancer. With fading DSM potential, the authors submit a description of "aspie" for placement in a much needed but currently non-existent Manual of Discoveries About People (MDP I) (Figure 1).
New ways of thinking often lead to discoveries that consequently discard their outdated predecessors. Similarly, the change from Asperger’s Syndrome to aspie holds interesting implications and opportunities. It could result in typical people rethinking their responses and rescuing a missed opportunity to take advantage of the contribution of aspies to culture and knowledge.
Figure 1: Discovery criteria for aspie by Attwood and Gray
A. A qualitative advantage in social interaction, as manifested by a majority of the following:
peer relationships characterized by absolute loyalty and impeccable dependability
free of sexist, "age-ist", or culturalist biases; ability to regard others at "face value"
speaking one’s mind irrespective of social context or adherence to personal beliefs
ability to pursue personal theory or perspective despite conflicting evidence
seeking an audience or friends capable of: enthusiasm for unique interests and topics;
consideration of details; spending time discussing a topic that may not be of primary interest
listening without continual judgement or assumption
interested primarily in significant contributions to conversation; preferring to avoid
"ritualistic small talk" or socially trivial statements and superficial conversation.
seeking sincere, positive, genuine friends with an unassuming sense of humour
B Fluent in "Aspergerese", a social language characterized by at least three of the following:
a determination to seek the truth
conversation free of hidden meaning or agenda
advanced vocabulary and interest in words
fascination with word-based humour, such as puns
advanced use of pictorial metaphor
C. Cognitive skills characterized by at least four of the following:
strong preference for detail over gestalt
original, often unique perspective in problem solving
exceptional memory and/or recall of details often forgotten or disregarded by others,
for example: names, dates, schedules, routines
avid perseverance in gathering and cataloguing information on a topic of interest
persistence of thought
encyclopaedic or "CD ROM" knowledge of one or more topics
knowledge of routines and a focused desire to maintain order and accuracy
clarity of values/decision making unaltered by political or financial factors
D. Additional possible features:
acute sensitivity to specific sensory experiences and stimuli, for example:
hearing, touch, vision, and/or smell
strength in individual sports and games, particularly those involving
endurance or visual accuracy, including rowing, swimming, bowling, chess
"social unsung hero" with trusting optimism: frequent victim of social
weaknesses of others, while steadfast in the belief of the possibility of genuine friendship
increased probability over general population of attending university after high school
often take care of others outside the range of typical development
--- Breathing is important! If you don't breathe, your sound will deteriorate, your phrasing will suffer, and you will die.
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An description of which of these fit me..
. A qualitative advantage in social interaction, as manifested by a majority of the following:
peer relationships characterized by absolute loyalty and impeccable dependability- YES
free of sexist, "age-ist", or culturalist biases; ability to regard others at "face value" -YES
speaking one’s mind irrespective of social context or adherence to personal beliefs -YES
ability to pursue personal theory or perspective despite conflicting evidence -YES
seeking an audience or friends capable of: enthusiasm for unique interests and topics;
consideration of details; spending time discussing a topic that may not be of primary interest-YES
listening without continual judgement or assumption -YES
interested primarily in significant contributions to conversation; preferring to avoid
"ritualistic small talk" or socially trivial statements and superficial conversation. -OH YES.
seeking sincere, positive, genuine friends with an unassuming sense of humour -YES
B Fluent in "Aspergerese", a social language characterized by at least three of the following:
a determination to seek the truth- YES
conversation free of hidden meaning or agenda- YES
advanced vocabulary and interest in words
fascination with word-based humour, such as puns
advanced use of pictorial metaphor-YES
C. Cognitive skills characterized by at least four of the following:
strong preference for detail over gestalt- TO SOME DEGREE
original, often unique perspective in problem solving- YES
exceptional memory and/or recall of details often forgotten or disregarded by others,
for example: names, dates, schedules, routines- YES YES
avid perseverance in gathering and cataloguing information on a topic of interest -YES YES YES
persistence of thought -YES
encyclopaedic or "CD ROM" knowledge of one or more topics- YES
knowledge of routines and a focused desire to maintain order and accuracy- TO A FAIR DEGREE
clarity of values/decision making unaltered by political or financial factors OH YES
D. Additional possible features:
acute sensitivity to specific sensory experiences and stimuli, for example:
hearing, touch, vision, and/or smell- YOU KNOW ABOUT MY HEARING, AND I ALSO HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH FOOD TEXTURES, AND I HAVE TO TAKE THE LABELS OFF SHIRTS.
strength in individual sports and games, particularly those involving
endurance or visual accuracy, including rowing, swimming, bowling, chess- NOT SPORTS. I AM REASONABLY GOOD AT BOARD GAMES LIKE CHESS, THOUGH.
"social unsung hero" with trusting optimism: frequent victim of social
weaknesses of others, while steadfast in the belief of the possibility of genuine friendship- YES YES.
increased probability over general population of attending university after high school- I ATTEND THE TOP MUSICAL INSTITUTION IN THE COUNTRY. 
often take care of others outside the range of typical development
--- Breathing is important! If you don't breathe, your sound will deteriorate, your phrasing will suffer, and you will die.
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I shall read that when my Mum's not wanting the use of the compute. Though I might copy and paste it so I can easily refer to it. I don't have pefect pitch at all and am useless at tuning because I just can't tell if something's in tune o not. That's annoying.
As fo Asperge's, I've been told that a lot of the things I do are similar to the things my fiend's brothe does, who has been diagnosed. Hmm ...
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Hope you don't mind but I borrowed your idea Rachel, just out of curiosity. Here's what happened ...
Figure 1: Discovery criteria for aspie by Attwood and Gray
A. A qualitative advantage in social interaction, as manifested by a majority of the following:
peer relationships characterized by absolute loyalty and impeccable dependability. YES. I OFTEN FEEL LET DOWN BECAUSE I EXPECT THE OTHE PERSON TO FEEL THE SAME WAY. OH WELL.
free of sexist, "age-ist", or culturalist biases; ability to regard others at "face value." UH-HUH.
speaking one’s mind irrespective of social context or adherence to personal beliefs. UM, NO ACTUALLY. TOO SHY.
ability to pursue personal theory or perspective despite conflicting evidence. YES!
seeking an audience or friends capable of: enthusiasm for unique interests and topics;
consideration of details; spending time discussing a topic that may not be of primary interest. HENCE I BORE PEOPLE TO DEATH ...
listening without continual judgement or assumption. YUPYUPYUP
interested primarily in significant contributions to conversation; preferring to avoid "ritualistic small talk" or socially trivial statements and superficial conversation. I'M USELESS AT SMALL TALK. I LOVE DEEP, INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS
seeking sincere, positive, genuine friends with an unassuming sense of humour. YES, MOST DEFINITELY
B Fluent in "Aspergerese", a social language characterized by at least three of the following:
a determination to seek the truth SO SO TRUE
conversation free of hidden meaning or agenda. I HATE HIDDEN MOTIVES. NEVER USE THEM.
advanced vocabulary and interest in words. I LOVE LEARNING ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF WORDS
fascination with word-based humour, such as puns. PUNS! BRILLIANT!
advanced use of pictorial metaphor
C. Cognitive skills characterized by at least four of the following:
strong preference for detail over gestalt. DETAILS RULE!
original, often unique perspective in problem solving. UM, NO.
exceptional memory and/or recall of details often forgotten or disregarded by others,
for example: names, dates, schedules, routines. HEHE ME AND TIMETABLES ... !
avid perseverance in gathering and cataloguing information on a topic of interest. YAY SNOOKER AND MUSIC
persistence of thought. I'LL HARDLY EVER BE CONVINCED OF ANOTHE POINT OF VIEW.
encyclopaedic or "CD ROM" knowledge of one or more topics. NOT QUITE. I'LL AVIDLY RESEARCH THINGS THOUGH AND BE DISAPPOINTED WHEN IT DOESN'T COME UP WITH MORE
knowledge of routines and a focused desire to maintain order and accuracy. AGAIN, TIMETABLES ETC ...
clarity of values/decision making unaltered by political or financial factors. YUP. CAN'T BE DOING WITH POLITICS.
D. Additional possible features:
acute sensitivity to specific sensory experiences and stimuli, for example:
hearing, touch, vision, and/or smell. NO. WELL, NOT QUITE. I'M SORT OF SENSITIVE TO SOUNDS IF I'M IN A QUIET ENVIRONMENT ELSE I'LL NOT HEAR THEM ABOVE BACKGROUND NOISE.
strength in individual sports and games, particularly those involving
endurance or visual accuracy, including rowing, swimming, bowling, chess. OO ROWING WAS FUN! I'M NOT TOO BAD AT CHESS, BUT VISUAL ACCURACY ... NO CHANCE!
"social unsung hero" with trusting optimism: frequent victim of social
weaknesses of others, while steadfast in the belief of the possibility of genuine friendship. YUP.
increased probability over general population of attending university after high school. I'M PLANNING TO
often take care of others outside the range of typical development (NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS ... )
Oh yes and I scored 37/50 in that test. So borderline fo that I suppose. Overall this has been an interesting evening.
I suppose mainly I'm happy to have found somebody who knows what having pocessing difficulties is like, although that may sound selfish; sorry. I didn't fit in on a forum for deaf / HOH people for obvious reasons, although I was hoping to find company in the whole not-understanding-speech and having-immense-trouble-with-backgound-noise things, which to an extent I did. But then I didn't fit in brilliantly on the tinnitus forum there because mine doesn't bother me much, so bang went my hopes. I then felt alien on a forum for people with APD simply because most of them had many other issues related to it, and I don't really (except the frequent non-registeing of the written word) which just made me feel like a bit of a fraud to be honest. So thank you - I at last have found some company, for the moment at least
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I do a lot of those things but I'm pretty sure thats just my personality 
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Me and timetables...
Me too!! I am obsessed with public transport information. People are going to call me Transinfo one of these days...
If I see someone trying to work out when and where a bus or train is, that's the only time I can approach people to talk to them.
Edit to explain...
I am almost completely unable to approach strangers to start a conversation. It is only in the past few years that I've been able to approach people to ask them the time. And that was a major achievement for me.
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