charleswong
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Training for self defense
Will your fighting skills be more effective if you just train exclusively for self defense without learning Karate techniques for sports?
Is so, what are the most effective ways to train for real life fighting or self defense?
Your comments are appreciated.
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11/15/2003, 3:50 am
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HanHammer
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Re: Training for self defense
Hi Charles ,
I am not a karateka but my background is kickboxing and shoot.
I would say yes , your fighting skills would be much improved if you trained just for SD.
that of course depends what is in the SD course itself.
is is reality based ?
are the techniques workable in real life ?
are all the ranges covered sensibley , not just thoroughly ? very important and underrated quality.
do they have a base that relates what I already have ?
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Re: Training for self defense
Hi Han,
Thanks for posting. I was addressing the questions mainly to Karateka who trains primarily in sport-based Karate and think it's applicable for real life self defense.
IMHO, people who concentrate on MAs which have "aliveness" in their training will generally have a more effective "delivery system" than most TMAs which only have cooperative training and flow drills. Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai and most wrestling-based arts like BJJ have "aliveness" in their training.
We here in Kissaki-Kai Karate are trying to incorporate some of these elements into our training methodology. 
All your points are valid, although many people have different ideas on what is "reality based". But all of them focus on the "delivery component", ie. the physical component.
A complete self defense training should cover the mental-physical-emotional aspects for it to be effective. That is what we are trying to achieve with our Civilian Self Defense program. Our Karate training will mostly focus on the delivery system.
Thanks for sharing,
Charles.
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 Re: Training for self defense
Karate should never be a sport! Karate is a very old form of self discipline and empty hand combat. Shotokan is a very specific art and should never be taken lightly. Power striking is very usefull, but must be balanced with streetfighting to be effective during a real confrontatain. That's why Ninjitsu is so good. Yin Yang. Ninjitsu on the most part teaches self respect, but emphasizes on shortning an attackers lifespan. It combines streetfighting with many other important martial arts, and stealth. Katas are false scenarios, that must not be taken litteraly into actuall fights. They are meant to train you with variations of attacks that you can combine many Katas together to get the effect you desire. In a street fight, there is no substatute for knowledge and flight when needed. It is easy to kill someone with martial arts, just like its easy for a crime loving streetfighter to kill with a knife or gun. Killing is still illegal, even if it's defending yourself. Only if there is no other way, must a person kill.
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 Re: Training for self defense
Being a crowd controller (commonly known as a bouncer)I have been involved in many conflicts over the years, averaging about 3 a week, and have come to the opinion that sports martial arts instructors should tell their students that realistic fighting hurts. As most of them start well, but once hit lose the plot. They also seem to have no chance of looking after themselves if their opponent applies any sort of grappling. I often play with sporting students and find they are amazed at how simple it is to use certain moves to escape a grapple. I have trained in Ryukyu Kempo which uses the Shotokan Kata's. In relation to Ninjasword71 opinion on killing, part of martial arts is learning disapline, you would only kill someone in a dire circumstance, basically if you know what you are doing you will defeat your opponent/s without having to actually inflict much pain. Otherwise we would all end up in jail.
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