charleswong
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 Karate and Ground fighting
The foundation of any martial art system have many similar techniques:
1. Striking: with the fist, hand, arm, elbow, foot, knee, shin, head, shoulder, back, hips.
2. Throwing: the floor is the biggest fist. Make it your friend.
3. Grappling: how to apply and how to escape from a grappling situation
4. Locking and submission: got and arm, leg or neck? Lock it out and break it!
5. Ground fighting: the fight's not over when it hits the floor. Learn valuable Brazilian Jiu Jitsu skills to escape from a mount or fight from your guard to get back on your feet & run!
Most Karate training only focus on the art of striking (atemi-waza). How important it is for a Karateka to acquire the skills of ground fighting?
Your comments please.
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Ground fighting
Hi All,
I've just created a page dedicated to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, the premier ground fighting style in the martial arts world today.
You may visit the page below here:
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Techniques
Enjoy,
Charles.
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8/26/2005, 2:41 am
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Re: Ground fighting
I believe all the BJJ techniques are in the katas myself, I havent found a single technique I couldnt find in kata. IMO its not about supplementing your karate training with BJJ , but makng sure you study your karate to the fullest extent.
To think that the creators of karate didnt know about the ground is closed minded. (not saying you are, just in general)
Tegumi was a huge part of okinawan culture, wrestling is in every culture, and if karate was considered a complete fighting system.. then ground techniques must have been present.
Someone like motobu who studied naihanchi/tekki almost exclusively, he was always inreal life encounters. A quick glance at naihanchi and you see the cross step right away, how is that any different than a triangle, the returning wave kick clearly puts your legs in a figure 4 position. This is just two small examples.
Naihanchi containing a plethora of grappling/throwing/striking techniques, along with obvious ground fighting leg positions, its easy to see why motobu considered it the ultimate kata. Very few movements that can be practiced over and over again, and be used for literally uncountabe techniques.
I think im going to buy a membership to your site, it is wonderful. Finally a place dedicated to true karate, I applaud you sir.
AJ
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Re: Karate and Ground fighting
Very good points AJ. Naihanchi does indeed have some good chokes from the ground, and a move in Heian Yondan clearly shows a mean collar choke while dominating an opponent with knee ride - typical Vale Tudo/NHB/UFC/BJJ moves.
Even if most Karateka are aware of these "ground fighting" bunkai in the katas, how are they going to train in them proficiently? The key word here is proficient. If you are familar with "traditional" Karate training today, you would have been eating the tri-parte Kihon, Kata, Kumite sandwich till you bloat. 
Now tell me which part of the 3K teach you effective ground fighting techniques? Most of them don't even teach effective standups.
Submissions are not punching and kicking, which can be practiced with focus mitts and bags. Submissions are best practice one-on-one with a partner, in aliveness. That's why I recommend cross-training in BJJ.
But that does not mean Karate katas do not contain ground fighting bunkai. I just think learning it via the BJJ way would be more effective. After all, most of us did saw the early UFCs fights. How we train matters more than what we learn.
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