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sean29
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They open the small swims ready for matches. Waist of time sod the members that fish there all year round, lets look after the anglers that fish there 2 matches a year,
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19/1/09, 19:41
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avalon angling
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Re: airman
Can I just ask that the reference to the matches is read as 'the general coarse angler'.
I appreciate it is without question difficult to please everybody, but what we must remember is that the Airman has become a great mixed fishery with the quality roach that have started to show over the last 2 or 3 seasons.
Ok, so the smaller swims are overgrown now, but it won't take much to open them up again with a strimmer as the spring comes round.
Surely we have got the best of both worlds; if these swims are now unfished, then the carp anglers that are still willing to venture out find the fishery as they would like to see it.
Once the conditions improve and the general coarse angler visits the fishery they will be able to enjoy the potential of the water as well.
Who knows, the more general anglers that fish the water may result in a few more people attending the work parties which may result in the works which need addressing getting completed sooner . . . . .
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20/1/09, 13:52
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sean29
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Im sure the match anglar will atend a work party if they only fish there 2 times a year!!!! Do you?
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20/1/09, 15:26
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Re: airman
Also, reference the "new swims" across the handle of the lake. All of those swims were there already, last year they were just tidied up and made fishable again. They may be overgrown now but last spring/summer they were getting plenty of use during the week by people float fishing for the Roach. On a couple of occasions there were even people in there with brolly bivvies doing an all night session.
So Sean is basically saying that because the carpark swims get used more than any, the rest of the lake should be ignored and that the club should concentrate on carp anglers whilst ignoring the suggestions and requirements of other anglers?
The club, as afar as I have heard, are aware that the carpark swims need repairing, unfortunately, work parties are the only time that this essential work can be carried out and when there are only 2-5 members turning up there is not a lot that can be done in one day. That then means closing the swim as it is unfinished and not safe enough to fish until the next work party the following week. You then get people moaning that their "favourite" swim is closed!!! Its a no-win situation.
As Avalon Angling has pointed out, it is very difficult to please everyone and seeing as a majority of the most opinionated people on this forum are carp anglers that is only one side of the story that is being aired. The club is also receiving feedback from match anglers during the clubs matches, and from bankside chats with general members during bailiff duties.
I personally have spoken to several general course members who have said who picturesque the Airman is during summer, they appreciate that some of the swims need repair work doing to them, but overall they were happy with the appearance and did not consider it to be "tatty". I have also spoken to several carp anglers who joined for the first time last year and commented on how good the place looked when compared with the places they were fishing prior to joining Shefford.
At the end of the day, if people don't turn up for work parties the work does not get done. Simple as that.
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20/1/09, 15:31
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avalon angling
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Re: airman
Sean29, if I can just clarify that, my initial reply requested that the reference to opening the small swims 'for matches' was amended, as I hope you would agree that once the match has been fished the next work party doesn't put back all of the rubbish that has been taken out! The cleared swims remain for the rest of the members to fish.
Secondly in answer to your question, as andyk74 has commented, it may surprise you to know that were it not for the match anglers, there would be even LESS people attending the work parties!
Whether I fish the venue twice a year or 100 times a year makes no difference. If there is a work party on then I will try to make it as without the effort, the waters that the club has access to will deteriorate even further (you will see a previous posting from me in relation to the actual BENEFITS of the work parties.)
Would it not be fair to say that the fact that so few attend the work parties must mean that the rest of the members are happy with the way the waters are maintained? Surely if you feel that something needs to be done on a venue and you have the opportunity to do it, would you not make sure you took advantage of it?
If that's the case, then I would have said to have between 2 - 5 anglers out of a membership of 500+ turn up on the work parties shows the club is pretty near perfect! (Believe me I know that there is a great deal more that the club would like to do so at the present time this really is just a dream)
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20/1/09, 20:33
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Re: airman
Sean, this is the thing that I find most annoying about this forum. I try and attend as many work parties as possible during the year, depending on work shift patterns (I work 4 on 4 off permanent nights) and therefore have very few weekends off, two of which I have my children for.
However, I still try and help out, then I come on here and all I see is a lot of people moaning about the state of the swims and the rubbish etc etc, and these are people who don't even turn up to help!!!
As with Avalon Angling, I have written plenty on here about my opinion on work parties and the "state" of the venues, and it is still my belief that if more people turned up to help out then the waters would be more to your liking. . .and mine!
We all want to have venues where the swims are all solid, the pathways are not muddy and slippy, somewhere to enjoy our chosen sport in beautiful surroundings, however it does take effort from the general membership to make this happen, it will not happen by itself.
I would like to think that you will be turning up to at least one, hopefully more, working parties in the coming months to help repair the swims you feel need work on them. If you do then I look forward to meeting you down there.
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22/1/09, 2:02
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Following on from andyk74's reply you must remember that you DON'T have to attend all of the work parties; just think if it was an ideal world and every member attended just 2 work parties a year, that would equate to 1000 + man days of work. Imagine what could get done in that time!
With current figures, say an average of 5 attendees (to make the maths easy) that would mean those 5 would have to attend 200 work parties to complete work of the equivalent duration.
I appreciate in many instances people are unable to attend for various reasons, but in the case of the Airman - which is without doubt a popular fishery - why is it if the work party wasn't on there a large proportion of the swims would be taken by anglers, yet suddenly these anglers disappear as soon as the words 'work party' are mentioned?
I really do think it is a great shame 
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23/1/09, 13:30
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Having seen the airman for the first time on the weekend, I personally think for this time of year,, with the ammount of snowmelt going on etc,, it actually looks pretty good, especially for a angling groups water as opposed to it being a syndicate.
yes ok, some of the swims were a little flooded but there were plenty that weren't, and also with the ammount of snow melt,, i think even the best prepared venues would be a little high with water right now.
Knowing the fish that are in there and also might be wrong to say this but the inexperience perhaps in some of the anglers on there, especially when it comes to big cats,, I would be more concerned if i was the owner of the lake in removing some of the snags in there rather than making the swims carpeted with electrics and sofa's installed..... I'm not talking about the reeds,,, but some of the tree's in the edges to me spell disaster if a good cat got in there, especially as you dont have a boat to use should the situation happen.
Other than that,, lovely looking little lake,, although a little dusty i thought,,, maybe someone could have a quick sweep before i come down next, lol. lol
If people dont turn up to work parties,, then only have themselves to blame,,,,,,,,
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