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Re: Night Fishing Permits
Worm boy,
You are right, I don't want it to be a slanging match either. That achieves nothing.
But if you read through the various threads on the forum, you will see that there are a lot of people (registered on this forum)who moan about the slightest little thing but aren't prepared to do anything about it.
There is a thread on here titled "Airman disgust" and one of the things someone mentioned was the track at the Airman behind pegs 5 - 10, being muddy and slippery. The club are aware of this fact, as it was discussed at work parties as to possible solutions, however, any solution is going to cost a great deal of money, as the bank there between the lake and the road is clay, the water just runsoff straight down onto the track. It is going to need proper drainage putting in on the roadside of the track.
People have also complained about some of the swims being shoddy. Fair comment, some of them have seen better days, but again, this gets back to my opening statement about more people helping out, and the worst swims were renovated in February/March of this year.
All of this costs money. I guess, this coming year(I don't know for sure, I am not a commitee member), the money from the night permits will help to pay towards improving the venues even further. I would certainly like to think so.
As for night fishing at Broom, I have never heard that the landowner will not allow night fishing, I heard that any night fishing has to be bailiffed 24hrs a day and be properly controlled. From what I am led to believe, this goes for Ivel Valleys as well, again there are threads on here covering this subject, and I know Ivel Valleys does not have a resident bailiff there throughout the night. That is up to the organisers of that fishery.
I think that answers your question 4 on " a snide night at Broom" thread.
Maybe this could be brought up in a constructive way at the AGM, asking if night fishing could be allowed on a limited basis as a "treat" for those people who have helped out at a few work parties. It was mentioned on another thread about rewarding work party attendees with a reduced book price, although that defeats the point of raising income to improve our fisheries. I know Letchworth Angling club allow those people who attended work parties to fish the lakes at Poppy Hill (they have a close season on those lakes) in the last week prior to the new season starting, before anyone else can fish them. I don't hear of anybody moaning about that from that club.
I have also got an idea that may appeal to people with regards to Broom, the Airman and Willington. This I am going to bring to the Commitees attention and hopefully something good will come of it, probably from next year.
As a bailiff I have had a few comments passed onto me with regards to the night permit. These comments and thoughts have been passed onto the commitee through the appropriate channels for their consideration.
Some people on here have stated they agree with the night permit, and "bank chat" when doing my rounds has also confirmed this. A majority of people i have spoken to at the Airman have said they were unsure about paying out the "extra" money this year, but now they have done it they don't mind because the lake is a lot quiter and it is easier to get a swim. Even the day anglers fishing for Roach have said what a difference there is this year.
Every member has contact details for the commitee members, and any ideas that could improve the club should be passed on by the appropriate means. Moaning on this forum achieves nothing except bitterness and resentment amongst the clubs members.
Worm boy, as you stated in your last post, you have been a bailiff before for other club(s). Therefore you should have a better appreciation than most of just how much time it can take up and the fact that you cannot bailiff all waters at all times, especially as now is the main holiday season and a number of bailiffs may be on holiday at any one time, which makes it even more difficult for those of us who are not on holiday and still trying to do our best. You also stated that you would consider doing it again for this club or any other you are fishing on.
Get in contact with the head bailiff and nominate yourself, and help take some of the strain of looking after the fisheries from the rest of us.
Perhaps a few more people would follow your lead, not necessarily becoming bailiffs but trying to help out in some way, instead of moaning from their arm chairs.
And another thing to consider, and it states it in the club book is that every member has the right to act as an honoury bailiff, as long as they are in possesion of their club book.
This may be daydreaming on my part, but why don't us members try and work together to improve things and make it the best Club in the area instead of "venting" our anger and moaning on here.
Criticism is fine, as long as it is constructive.
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Re: Night Fishing Permits
not that we fell out but lets shake hands on the bailiff subject.i appologise if my feelings were high,and i have read back through my topic and really ive used this forum for the wrong purpose(terms and conds say something about productivity not negativity)
one issue that concerns me about bailiffing and fishing at the same time and this has been mentioned to me by an annonymous source.is that if someone gets a ticking off by me(as a bailiff)then ive got that person to contend with the rest of my session.i would want guarenteed assurance that the club will back me up.
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Re: Night Fishing Permits
Consider hands shaken on the bailiff subject! 
I also apologise if my reply was blunt
What you say about bailiffing and fishing is a valid point. Luckily I have not been in that particular situation yet. It is a situation I thought about before accepting the bailiff position and it is a bridge I will cross when I come to it. I think a lot of it depends on how the situation is handled, and obviously the severity of the situation.
For instance, if I see someone making a minor misdemeanour, ie they have a tin of sweetcorn with them instead of it being in a bait box, then in 99.9% of cases a quiet word will suffice to rectify the situation and should not create any bad feeling.
However, if the misdemeanour is more serious, such as drunken and rowdy behaviour, then that affects everyone fishing the venue. and can affect the anglers in adjacent swims safety as well. This I would try and deal with by appropriate means, and to be honest, yes it probably would put a stop to my days fishing at that venue. Although, hopefully, it would improve every other anglers day. But that is a situation I have accepted by becoming a bailiff.
With regards to support from the club, I have faced a couple of situations where I required "back up" (not as serious as the drunk and rowdy example above) and to answer your question, the club provided it, and I know they will do again if it is so required.
The other thing is the amount of time it can take to do a bailiff round prior to fishing myself. This has suprised me. But one of the jobs as a bailiff is to answer peoples questions with regards to that fishery. Good swims, best baits, spots, methods, recent catches etc It all takes time and eats into my personal fishing time, but I must admit to getting a sense of satisfaction when I see a member catch some fish by using some of the information I have given them. If it wasn't for some of the bailiffs and other members giving me information, I would not be catching the fish that I do today!
After all, a days fishing is supposed to be an enjoyable experience! And if members are catching, they are more likely to join again next year.
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sean29
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Re: Night Fishing Permits
The night permit is good, as less people are fishing at night, The only thing I would say the extra cash should be spent on the 2 lakes fished at night. Insted of the match anglers being looked after at broom. The airman car park is in need of some leveling, can hardly get my car in without it scraping on the uneven ground willington is not much better!!!!
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Re: Night Fishing Permits
Could I just clarify something here, it is not just the match anglers that would be looked after should any works be carried out at Broom.
Given that the club generally hold just one fixture per season on the venue I think a more fitting term would be 'general coarse angler' as opposed to 'match anglers'.
Without question the venue is VERY popular with all types of angler both young and old and rather than look at any benefit being to a particular sector within the club, any works should be viewed as being to the benefit OF the club as a whole.
We all place different values on our fishing, with many members being very specific in their approach. What we must remember is that we are all part of the same club and should have the interests of the club in mind, rather than the individual.
I hope this clears up any confusion.
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Re: Night Fishing Permits
No not rearly.How aboult you charge the genaral anglar more to fish broom??? No dident think so!!
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20/1/09, 15:30
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Re: Night Fishing Permits
That really isn't an argument Sean. . . on what basis are you going to charge the general angler more, and for what reason? There are just as many fishing for the carp at broom as there are fishing for the bream and tench. Nobody gets charged extra for fishing Broom.
The money from night permits has only been coming into the club since June 2008, how about giving the club a chance to see what happens with the extra income???
Already they have purchased 10 new, good stock carp and introduced them into Willington. This was done as a long term investment, FOR CARP ANGLERS, because the large fish in the lake presently are not going to last forever!
In my opinion that is the club looking after the carp anglers amongst us. How can you possinly complain about that?
It seems like you expect miracles to happen but you don't want to pay for them or assist in making them reality!
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Re: Night Fishing Permits
I pay same as most others but why should the people who fisf airman and willington pay more but not the people who fish broom?
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20/1/09, 15:43
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Re: Night Fishing Permits
The only people who pay more at the Airman and Willington are those that wish to night fish the venues. Broom is not night fished, so why charge more? Its a night permit!
People who night fish the Airman and Willington are using those venues more than a general angler. Also the hammering in of pegs for bivvies damages the swims when they are removed at the end of the session, it is also (unfortunately judging by the contents of the bags) mainly session anglers who seem content to throw their rubbish in the bushes. Im not saying that general anglers dont do the same, they do, but I was astounded by the rubbish that was down the Airman between the road and the carpark lasyt year during the work parties. Mostly black bin bags filled with empty tins, pot noodle pots, beer cans and empty gas cannisters. Not the sort, or amount of rubbish that a day angler would leave behind.
The night permit was brought in to try and control some of the problems, and it seems to have worked. I went down the Airman last week for a look around and there was far less rubbish down there. That means that the first work party down there can be spent on repairing the swims you want fixed rather than spending a weekend removing rubbish that people have left behind.
ALso many anglers, both session carp anglers and general anglers have commented on the fact that since the night permit came into practice it is a lot easier to get a swim down there now. Is that such a bad thing?
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Re: Night Fishing Permits
hi i was just wondering if there is going to be any changes to the night fishing permit for children do you still have to buy them one even if there not fishing and just keeping you company because there to young to buy a ticket and get a licence.
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