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airman again
we had walk around the airman recently as i hav'nt fished it for a couple of years, me and my bud was appauled at the state of the place, i do not understand how you you can justify charging for a night permit for such a dump just because it has cats.
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24/4/08, 14:43
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Re: airman again
A dump? in what way?
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24/4/08, 16:24
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Richard Bell
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Re: airman again
Spong7,
If you and you 'bud' walked round the Airman recently I hope you are both current members, as this is private property for members only! What puts you off? The quality of the fishing or the appearance of the water?
Historically it was used as a dump, which is why you see all the broken crockery lying amongst the ash. However, we have spent a considerable amount of time and effort trying to clear up all the rubbish left by anglers in recent years and started work on repairing the swims. There is still a long list of things to do, but this will take both time and money.
Most anglers are currently fishing for the carp, with several 20s coming out most weeks. It has also been throwing up big bags of pristine roach all through the winter and spring.
We have plenty of members who enjoy fishing the Airman and appreciate the efforts we are making to improve the appearance of the place. If you don't want to join the club and fish there that is your choice, but please don't slag the place off when you haven't even fished it recently.
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25/4/08, 9:08
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Re: airman again
hi.
i would have to say i agree with spong. the lake itself is not too bad, but since the butchering of the reeds it does look very baron. i think what spoNg is reffering to as a "dump" is the fact that nearlly all the swims are delapidated and in some cases down right dangerous. the path arond the pit is (even after a prolonged dry spell) boggey and uneven, all the steps in or out of swims are inadequate and all the removal of trees has left stumps which are a tripping hazard on there own.
dont get me wrong im not saying the place should be perfectly manicured like say a comercial fishery is but when your blatently charging an extra £45 pounds just to fish the airman you need to be able to justify it, and in my opinion your not.
it is a shame as the quality of fishing we have experianced there over the years was normally good but as you say there have been several "20's" out in the last few weeks doesn't suprise me ,as every time we fished there all the anglers doing nights would say " i had 3 20's last night and my mate fishing 2 swims down had another 4 20's" we all know this is lies as anglers do tend to exagerate what has been caught, so you cant use that as a permissable argument to justify the state of the place. and i would also like to add the comments before of "well if you dont like it fish some where else" are out of order, people are allowed to state there veiws on an open forum and it is the commity's job to act on our requests, THAT IS WHAT YOUR CHARGING THE MONEY FOR IS IT NOT.
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25/4/08, 12:33
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Richard Bell
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"since the butchering of the reeds it does look very baron"
- the reeds were treated last year to make all the pegs fishable and reduce the number of fish becoming tethered in the reeds. If you look in the margins you will see that the new reed growth is just showing through.
"i think what spoNg is reffering to as a "dump" is the fact that nearlly all the swims are delapidated and in some cases down right dangerous"
- when the club had a close season we could spend 3 months repairing and upgrading the swims. Work is now limited to a handful of work parties each year, the more members that turn up, the more can be done.
"the path arond the pit is (even after a prolonged dry spell) boggey and uneven, all the steps in or out of swims are inadequate and all the removal of trees has left stumps which are a tripping hazard on there own"
- the trees were removed from the 'railway' bank to open up the path, which has helped it to dry out. The path on the road side is still boggy due to the underlying clay and the wet spring we have experienced. Upgrading the path is on the wish list. New steps have been installed on four pegs during recent working parties.
"when your blatently charging an extra £45 pounds just to fish the airman you need to be able to justify it, and in my opinion your not"
- membership fees are the same as last year, but from 16th June you will need a £40 night permit to night fish the Airman and Willington Lake.
"it is a shame as the quality of fishing we have experianced there over the years was normally good but as you say there have been several "20's" out in the last few weeks doesn't suprise me ,as every time we fished there all the anglers doing nights would say " i had 3 20's last night and my mate fishing 2 swims down had another 4 20's" we all know this is lies as anglers do tend to exagerate what has been caught, so you cant use that as a permissable argument to justify the state of the place."
- I bailiff the water and regularly see what is caught. There are four pictures of 20lb+ carp caught in recent weeks in the News from the Bank section of the main web site
"i would also like to add the comments before of "well if you dont like it fish some where else" are out of order, people are allowed to state there veiws on an open forum and it is the commity's job to act on our requests, THAT IS WHAT YOUR CHARGING THE MONEY FOR IS IT NOT."
-I agree it is the committee's job to run the club for the benefit of the members (but not to respond to gripes from anglers who appear not to be current members of the club). The comments expressed on this forum are not always representative of the views of the vast majority of members.
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25/4/08, 13:48
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Re: airman again
I can appreciate some of Mr zontals comments as in some of the swims are dilapidated. Yes they are, and as Richard has pointed out, work is ongoing at the venue. However, having been to the last few working parties at the Airman in recent weeks, I know how long it takes, and what hard work it can be with a sledge hammer, to shore up dilapidated swims with scaffold poles and boards!
The road side path is going to be a major headache to sort out, as anyone who actually looks at it and thinks about it for 5 minutes will realise - not unless mrzontal has got some brain wave that will solve the problem quickly and cheaply (I say cheaply because no doubt the same people would complain if the membership fee went up to cover the cost of the work required)
The problem I have with this forum is the fact that there seem to be too many people moaning about various aspects of the club, but not willing to put their money where their mouth is and actually give up some of their free time to come down and help out.
At the last work party, apart from bailiffs and committee members that were there, there were only half a dozen anglers who turned up to help.
People are willing to fish it, then moan like the devil when it gets a bit tatty but dont do anything to help, and leave to the few people that do care and are trying to make it better.
Perhaps we will see mrzontal and spong7 at 8 o clock Saturday morning to help tidy up this "dump"??
Somehow I doubt it very much. . . .
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25/4/08, 18:30
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Re: airman again
will it mater if i turn up at the lake tmrw at around half ten - 11 o'clock as i have to work tonite so buy the time i get back and sorted it wont be till around that time but i want to help out
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25/4/08, 19:54
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Re: airman again
since the butchering of the reeds it does look very baron"
- the reeds were treated last year to make all the pegs fish-able and reduce the number of fish becoming tethered in the reeds.
unfortunately the way the reeds have been killed and fell into large clumps now means the fish will get tethered even more as if they get behind a clump of reeds you will not have a chance of getting them out.
the only way to get rid of the reeds and stop fish getting tethered is to remove them from the roots
the other problem with the way the reeds were treated is that people will be casting to the edge of showing reeds not realising that they are dropping there rig straight into the roots that are still remaining now the upper reed stems are dead.
also the fish in the airmen are very spooky and now with virtually no cover on either side as the weather is improving and the lake getting busier getting the carp to feel confident enough to feed is going to be a problem
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27/4/08, 9:09
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Re: airman again
You have some good points there Steve, and it has been acknowledged that the reed "trimming" was not done very well, however, in the past two weeks new reed growth around the lake is starting to show, and I don't think it will be long before the fish have their cover back.
There are numerous new shoots now showing above the water in front of peg 1, and there is new growth all along the road side swims. Some swims are showing more growth than others but at least its cover.
And another thing, when compared with last year, if my memory serves me correctly, it has been colder this April than last April when we had the best of our summer! We were still getting frosts at night until a week or two ago whereas last year I went night fishing down the Airman at the end of March and it was very warm. This is going to affect the new growth of marginal reeds etc.
Hopefully spring is well on its way now and the last vestiges of winter have been shed for the next 6 months. Hopefully we can all look forward to some good fishing in the months to come!
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27/4/08, 16:35
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The main reason fish are lost in the reeds is the way anglers fish the place. You need to be in control of the carp before it has time to reach the reeds. If you are going to place a bait inches away from a marginal snag (i.e. the reed beds), you should be fishing 'locked up' and sitting right next to your rods so that the carp doesn't have time to reach the snag. However, if you have to be woken by an alarm and then struggle out of your bivvie, then the carp has had plenty of time to run deep into the reeds.
Some anglers have reportedly taken this snag fishing one step further and have been deliberately dropping baited hooks into small gaps in the middle of reed beds. Carp have been hooked, a few landed but many lost. Attempting this style of angling demonstrates little respect for the fish.
In a few weeks this years reed growth should all be visible, which will then give an opportunity to try and chop out the roots from the dead areas. This will not be an easy or quick task as most of it will have to be done from a boat. Where are all the Airman regulars when we have work parties?
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27/4/08, 16:57
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