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I am not an experinced carp angler by any stretch and my personal bets is only 13Lb but have on other venues caught lots of smaller carp (5-6Lb). I have been a SDAA member since June and have been to Broom aqt least once a week since this point and fished for carp. To date i have blanked on every outing only hooking one carp which managed to get snagged under a tree and break off. I find reading about others trips to broom lake and there great catches very frustrating (although i am genuinly please for them). i have used a variety of baits like boilies, maggots, worms, pellets, sweetcorn and a variety of methods, feeder, float, boilie only, pva.
What am i doing wrong?
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15/10/09, 10:39
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Re: Broom lake carp
Hi,
First of all, welcome to the club!
As for Broom lake, it can be a bit hit and miss at times. I try and fish the lake when the weather is going to be overcast with sunny spells and a bit of wind blowing. A south westerly seems to give the better days fishing.
I tend to use maize on a hair rig with a 6" hook length attched to an inline bolt rig. I prefer to use natural baits such as maize or chick peas etc rather than boilies and have had good results on them. I use a home made spod mix and put a good bed of bait out. I keep this bed topped out throughout the day, usually chucking 5-10 spods worth out after each fish capture, unless the rod tips continue bouncing, in which case I will leave it 30 mins before spodding out.
I normally fish the river side of the lake as that side has a gravel and sand bottom, there is a layer of silt on the farmers side. If you are fishing the farmers side I would be inclined to use a lighter lead, longer hooklength and critically balanced bait, just to prevent my hookbait and terminal tackle from sinking into the silt. As with any fishery it is a matter of putting in the time and constantly watching the water to see where the fish patrol and roll, this will give you an indication as to where they frequent.
If you are fishing a whole day there, then try and stay until the time shown in your membership book, as I have had 2-5 fish in the last 90 minutes of the day, and this has made the difference between blanking and not, although it can be frustrating when you have sat there all day and then caught in the last hour!!
During the summer months the Carp can be caught off the top on floating baits and I quite often wander round the lake with a rod, landing net and unhooking mat fishing different swims.
I hope this is of use to you and will probably see you round there at some point.
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15/10/09, 20:37
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Re: Broom lake carp
thanks andyk74 for that, i have mainly fished the swims in what i call the crescent wich has three swims but have been on varoius swims on the lake. i will try the change of bait to see if that inproves. i think the south side of the lake is the other end to the enterance and have not fished there that much. did stay till end the other day but i was the other end. hopefully can update this with a fish caught.
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16/10/09, 10:27
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Re: Broom lake carp
As well as offering good, sound advice, Andyk also does a good guillieing service too!
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16/10/09, 14:23
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Re: Broom lake carp
I know AndyK and Biggus have had big bags of carp this summer with copious amounts of spod mix. However, as we move into the colder months it pays to cut down on the feed. I've always found pegs 25-40 are the best to target in the autumn and winter (including the narrow channel between 31-36). It is all about location, confidence and identifying the feeding spells. During the colder weather they tend to feed mid-morning and again as the light begins to fade but will feed all day if there is a mild SW gale.
A small method feeder with scalded pellets recast every hour often is enough to get the carp nosing around. Alternatively just catapult out a few boilies (start with 10) and then only refeed when you have caught a fish. Sometimes it pays not to feed anything and just offer them a single hook bait.
Best baits for me are standard boilies or a bunch of red maggots but I always make sure they are critically balanced and will just sit up off the hook on the bottom making it easier for the carp to find my bait.
In the winter the carp tend to shoal up in open water. If you see them jumping down the other end of the lake, don't sit there - move!
The carp in Broom are older and wiser than a few years ago. But they are also a lot bigger. A 20lb common in full winter golden colours is a very rewarding sight.
My last visit two weeks ago resulted in 12 hours without a single knock in 'perfect' conditions. But I will be back for another go soon.
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16/10/09, 20:17
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Biggus, shouldn't that be ghillie?? Good job you are slightly better at fishing than spelling!!!!
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18/10/09, 23:35
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Re: Broom lake carp
dont get downhearted i normally do well on broom but have really struggled on my days there this season.
personally i think its all the poor quality spod mix that goes in the lake now that is causing the problems.and no i am not having a dig at spodding i spod out myself on some sessions
spodding is fine if you use quality mixs that get the carp feeding without filling them up but to many anglers are bulking out there spod mix with cheap high food content ingrediants.
a couple of people spodding out a few kilos of cheap rubbish each on a saturday and you might as well not bother fishing the lake untill wednesday.
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19/11/09, 17:24
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Re: Broom lake carp
Steve, although I don't tend to fish down there at weekends because I am usually working, I have only seen one other person (other than myself and Biggus Diccus) spodding out a bed of bait, so I don't think that is a problem.
The single biggest effect on the fishing at Broom that I have noticed is the wind direction. I have fished the same swim with a North easterly blowing, same bait, same tactics and had a very quiet day with only a couple mid double fish. I have then returned either the following day or two days later with a South westerly blowing and had a great days fishing.
Broom lake is big enough with a large enough head of carp in it that 2 or 3 anglers spodding in several kilos of bait on a Saturday is not going to affect the fishing for the next 4 days!!!
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19/11/09, 20:31
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Re: Broom lake carp
i think you would be suprised andy i have stood on the roof of my car and watched the carp avoid areas of the lake that have been spodded recently like the plague that wouldnt happen if it was a good quality spod mix. its more than likely because there is a bed of poorly prepared mix sitting on the bottom.
and no several kilos of a QUALITY spod mix wouldnt be a problem.
throw a kilo of quality mix into a pond and the fish would soon finish it off and want more .
but try throwing kilo of vitalin or similiar[which is the type of ingrediant people bulk there mixs out with] into a pond and see how long it lasts.
after all you only feed a labrador with an average weight of 35kg 350--400g of vitalin a day.
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20/11/09, 19:22
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Re: Broom lake carp
Fair enough comments there steve, spod mix is no different to maggots in that respect. I have heard people struggle to catch silver fish and when you look at the state of their maggots you can see why, however, someone who has quality maggots doesn't have the same problem.
As for quality spod mixes, my only gripe with the premade stuff you would buy from places such as Hinders or Kent particles is the cost, it is extortionate!!!!
I make my own spod mix using the best quality dry ingredients I can buy, it is soaked for a minimum of 36 hours, then boiled for 45-60 minutes. I do add Vitalin to the finished mix the day before fishing, but not a huge amount. I use it to soak up the remaining juices from the boiling process rather than throwing them away. It also has the added benefit of producing a nice, scented cloud in the water.
I have not seen carp avoiding "recently spodded areas like the plague". To be honest I have only witnessed exactly the opposite, with pre-baiting proving extrememly effective. A good bed of bait going in the evening before, returning the following day to fish immediately on the same spot, and only "topping" up the swim once the bites start to dry up.
I have also tested the bait down the Airman, baiting an area (not heavily) and sitting watching the Carp's reaction to it. I have never seen them avoid the baited area.
I agree there are differences between cheap and quality bait, maggots and boilies are probably good examples, the biggest problems with particles is their preparation. Poorly prepared particles are not only ineffective but also dangerous to the fish.
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21/11/09, 15:08
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