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owen dean
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 night fishing @ broom lake
could somebody please let me know why you are not allowed to night fish at the Broom lake?
many anglers think this is a silly rule! 
how many members think that we should be able to fish the Broom at night?
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19/6/07, 16:25
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Lez Reed
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Re: night fishing @ broom lake
It is not a club rule that does not allow nightfishing at Broom lake it is a condition of our lease that we are not allowed. I hope this clears things up, regards Lez
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20/6/07, 10:35
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 Re: night fishing @ broom lake
thankyou for clearing that up for me. But could you not renegociate the lease. Ithink its such a shame that you cant night fish it
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20/6/07, 17:13
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Richard Bell
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Re: night fishing @ broom lake
Owen,
I am one of the many anglers that would not want Broom Lake opened up to night fishing, even if the lease could be renegotiated. I do not believe that the majority of the club's 800 members regularly night fish.
I regularly fish for carp, but accept that Broom is run as a general fishery for the benefit of all members. Currently all members have a reasonable chance of finding a free peg at Broom, even at busy weekends. This would not be the case if there were 20 anglers bivvied up every weekend.
The General Members Meeting on 23rd October is an opportunity to air your views, but also be prepared to hear alternative opinions expressed.
Richard
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21/6/07, 17:30
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Re: night fishing @ broom lake
cant understand all this about owner sayin he dont want to allow night fishing when the lake next door is on same land allows it.sayin that you dont want it cos the swims will be taken well there r over 40 swims at broom around 20 at airman yet even on a bank holiday weekend i have always managed to get a swim down the airman so would still manage to get one down broom after all we all fisherman no matter what tactics you use so why have this attitude to us that like to spend the night under the stars as people who spoil the lake???could you also explain how there were night matches down the few years back surley if the owner didnt want the land fished at night it would be to everyone the only people losing out the most not having nights on broom is the float fishing fellas as all the small fry getting taken by cormarents which fly over lake next door an land in broom a nice quiet lake where they feast till the early morning fisherman turn up an spook them off
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23/8/07, 21:02
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Re: night fishing @ broom lake
I spoke to the owner of Ivel Valleys lake next door to broom lake earlier in the year when fishing there with a mate who was not a shefford member. The subject of night fishing came up during the conversation, and he stated the reason that night fishing was allowed on Ivel Valleys but not Broom was because the Ivel Valley lake was patrolled by a bailiff 24 hours as part of the lease agreement, whereas the shefford lake is not, how true this is, I dont know but it would make sense.
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23/8/07, 21:59
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Re: night fishing @ broom lake
I completely agree with Richard's point, I reguarly fish Broom, the airman and willington and the Airman in particular always has a large number of anglers who are there for the night at least. Whilst I agree that you can get a swim, the car park swims at the airman are virtually always taken and therefore anglers who do not night fish have very little chance.
I have even had an experience of being lucky to get a car park swim and then 15 minutes later to be approached by another angler asking how long I was going to be?
Virtually all of the clubs waters can be fished at night, with the exception of Broom and I totally agree!
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24/8/07, 12:55
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Richard Bell
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Re: night fishing @ broom lake
The night matches were allowed at Broom Lake as these were managed events organised by the club and so the water was being bailiffed during the matches. Ivel Valley is run as a commercial business so they can afford to constantly bailiff their water. The SDAA bailiffs are unpaid volunteers.
Any argument about night fisherman deterring cormorants is not going to convince me. I have seen cormorants happily feeding at the Airman on several occassions only yards from anglers in bivvies. I should also add that as someone who has actually turned up at Broom Lake at dawn in the winter, I have seen more cormorants fly off Ivel Valley than Broom Lake. Broom Lake is currently stuffed with silver fish.
Broom Lake is a relatively easy carp water. If you can't catch carp there during the day, then you are unlikely to catch at night! I'm willing to bet that more carp actually come out of the Airman during the day rather than at night too.
Richard
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24/8/07, 13:54
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 Re: night fishing @ broom lake
well you have all done your homework or is that something else in the air firstly ivel valley has a baliff that comes round once a day as this is a day ticket water its not got a baliff there 24hrs unless there is a tree house near by that there hiding in?? shefford could easily state they have 24 baliffs as there is normally a carper at airman that is also a baliff ?? what makes me laugh is that you have suddenly change from not being allowed at broom as it is something the owner will not allow to its because we dont have 24hr baliffs personally i dont care if broom is 24hr or not im only makin the point nobody else is .the fact that certain people (commitymembers)dont want it to be passed yes your right fish can be caught at broom during the day an i think you will find if you check the match results of the night match held here it was higher average an larger fish.yes your also right about the large amounts of silver fish many from stanford pit but look at the match results or go round an fish for them very far an few between but you take the catch reports from the airman larger catches of roach an silver fish with specimen fish also so i think the facts speak for them selfs about where cormarants are an please let me know anyone who has seen these birds around the airman cos i certainally have not seen them maybe the rats have eaten them all
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24/8/07, 21:43
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andyk74
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Re: night fishing @ broom lake
I didn't say that Ivel Valleys WAS bailiffed 24hrs a day, but that the owner had stated that was part of their lease agreement.
Your point about Ivel Valleys bailiff going round once a day may be correct, can't say I have fished there often enough to comment, but if they wish to risk losing their water by breaking the lease agreement, then that is up to them.
I don't think what is happening at Ivel Valleys has any real bearing on this thread, it is about OUR Broom lake that is important. As it stands at the minute, night fishing is not allowed, and will never be allowed whilst SDAA run the water, unless the owner decides to change that clause in the agreement, and it is something that we all have to accept, whether we agree with it or not. Personally, and I think some people will slate me for saying this, but I don't believe at all that the committee don't want this to be changed, but they are being realistic when it comes to bailiff coverage.
I would prefer to be able to fish Broom only during the day, as it is a nice secluded venue, rather than lose the lake completely as a club water just because of disagreements about being able to night fish it.
Also the point made in the previous reply about the SDAA bailiffs being unpaid volunteers is a very valid one. IF night fishing were to be allowed on the water with the proviso that it has a 24 hr bailiff coverage, then everyones membership fee would have to be increased to cover the cost of paying for that coverage, and how many of SDAA's 800 odd members nightfish?
I nightfish myself, and admit it would be nice to be able to nightfish the venue, however I joined this club knowing that it is not allowed.
I know the Airman gets packed, especially at weekends and bank holidays, this is where I am very fortunate being a shift worker, most of my days off are during the week, however, I think this is part and parcel of enjoying the biggest participating sport in the country.
As busy at it is during weekends etc, the Airman still doesn't get as busy as some of the commercial waters in the area at these times, I have been down Chestnut Pool before and not been able to fish because the place has been full! And although the carp park side of the Airman has been rammed, the far bank has been pretty angler-less.
One problem with the Airman is that most night fishers (me included) prefer to fish the carpark swims because you don't have to lug your kit so far, and it is a shallower side to fish with a more gradual depth increase than the far bank, also the track going around the lake is a bit narrow for carp anglers to push their barrows round, or walk round whilst carrying your own bodyweight of gear.
Maybe a working party, mostly consisting of the people who would night fish the Airman regularly, could spend a couple of days down there to improve the track surrounding the lake??? I would be willing to participate in that - shift work depending. . .
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25/8/07, 3:03
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