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For the Bikers amongst us...
http://www.sussex.police.uk/news_feed/index.asp?id=24911
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7/Oct/2008, 10:15 pm
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Re: For the Bikers amongst us...
Sat and watched the whole clip...Now I know it's all about gathering evidence for a secure conviction but how many laws must the guy break before he gets stopped?? And more to the point how many other road users lives must he endanger before plod decides enough is enough???
I'm not a biker but I have the upmost respect for bikers and I have many biker friends and work colleagues.
I don't understand why (hopefully a minority of) bikers ride in this way??? Do they think they are immortal?? Surely they can't have watched 1 too many moto gp's or superbike races where a rider falls off like a rag doll and gets up and next race he's back winning with a broken wrist???
Ok, rant over.....ride safely...I don't want to hear of any of you guys coming a cropper! For some reason it's the morons that get away with it and the nice guys who get their wings prematurely.
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He had failed to stop for police on previous attempts to stop him and ridden through red traffic lights at 100mph to get away...so it was deemed to dangerous to try that technique again..this was his daily comute to work!!!!! and police had received loads of complaints from residents and drivers alike...exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures Im afraid in my book...another looney off the road..
And its not just a small minority I can tell you..
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I take your point.....this might make it a bit clearer.....Watch the video and count how many times the biker was registered exceeding the speed limit by 20 mph or more?? How many minor offences such as overtaking on solid lines etc can you count???
It's my understanding that if you are caught speeding by 20 mph or more you'll lose your license...So why let him commit a string of offences?? I wonder what the plod on the bike would have to say about that??
I'm sure there's a very good reason?? I just don't know what it is?!
I'm sadened to hear it's not a minority...too many people with a death wish. Anybody for an invinsibilty pill???
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8/Oct/2008, 12:00 am
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Re: For the Bikers amongst us...
following motorcycle does not have the facility to stop other vehicles, videoing capability only. Also camera is a wide angle lens so as things get closer they seem narrower...if you see what I mean
There is also a non pursuit policy for motorcycles in Sussex..........he was stopped at his place of work. the bike was shown as no current keeper on the puter
It was just pure guess work by the plod as to where he worked they didn't know who he was etc. but it was where the previous owner had traded the bike in (BMW dealership in the big smoke) so it was worth a go at least
Wont mention the fact he said he didn't even know there was another bike behind him and his Ipod was blaring so loud when he got nicked he wouldn't have heard anything anyway
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Well I've learn't something new today. I guess that explains a few things....It all make perfect sense...apart from why the police rider chased him for so long at excessive speeds with this non persuit policy??
I'm not trying to start an argument...Just interested in these things. I wonder how much evidience would have been required for the same level of prosecution?? Did the chasing rider need to chase for so long and as a completely unmarked vehicle commit the same offences as the criminal...such as forcing a vehicle from lane 2 to lane 1....Pot, Kettle and Black!
As I said...not going for an argument...just looking at the situation as a father watching a video of a completely unmarked police motorcycle persuing another speeding motorcycle though a populated area at excessive speed and performing the same illegal driving moves as the prosecuted rider. And of course Joe public are not aware that this bike is being ridden by a highly trained and safe rider. All they know is that there is a high powered bike going too fast...(in there opinion) performing dangerous manovers just like the first bike oh and as it's unmarked, what chance have the motorists of seeing it coming as there attentions are drawn towards the bike that's just blasted past them! How often have you as a rider actually had a car move to the nearside of the road to give you more space to pass???
All this said....If it's making our streets safer than I am pleased that unmarked video bikes are working. Just as long as the police don't overstep the line with evidence gathering into dangerous driving themselves....Wherever that line is??? 
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Re: For the Bikers amongst us...
Technically its not a pursuit...its a follow..only a pursuit if you are trying to stop him and hes failing to stop...legal point
Rider is a class one advanced motorcyclist...highest level that can be obtained..required 16 weeks (Approx) of advanced driving/riding and required the rider to be an advanced car driver first...not to mention all the pursuit (TPAC) training...there are exemptions in law for the police rider but not for the offence of dangerous driving but there are several stated cases which I could go into which would take hours and hours to read so I wont....The rider is looking much further ahead and assessing hazards much faster and taking the appropriate action (Recent survey had shown that an advanced police driver assesses information faster that a fighter pilot) but that being said...no ones infallible...as said earlier...exceptional circumstances this one..
ps. take a look at the positioning of the police rider on bends compared to the nutter to give you a clue..getting the better view through the corner getting his view of the limit point to asses the severity of the bend and the appropriate speed at which the bend can be taken ....I wont go on cause you'll probably get bored!!!
the follow was called off byt he police rider a few seconds after the vid ends and would you believe the CPS still *****ed and moaned about the continuity to prove the offence...I think they want a big red bow around the file sometimes
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so a cheap bike for sale then
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