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That is OK Richard, Dru probably feels exactly the same way, but it does not change things one iota. 
I smile to myself when you suggest that it all sounds romantic ....to save hurting anyone's feelings, when you would probably have liked to say 'far-fetched'.
( But - tongue in cheek, and not meant to be nasty in any way - so is tea from China.) ( far fetched that is ).
I would not expect someone who is sceptic to take my word for anything, but I only speak from what I myself have have learned through my own experiences.
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It is good that you speak through exprience, but thats the reason why alot of more sceptical people such as myself would say it is a romantic or far-fetched theory, because we haven't exprienced anything like what you have.
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Some do Dru and some don't ( lie) but when spirit return, they always do so in the way you would expect them to be.
For instance, if your parents were very old when they passed - for recognition only - they would appear to you in your sleep state, exactly how you would expect them to be. When, in reality, they actually revert back to the prime of their life.
You say "when in reality", please explain how you know the "reality" that allegedly goes on in the ether/spirit realm?
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Children grow to that stage, but show themselves as the age when they passed over - also for recognition purposes.
Please explain how you know this to be the case? perhaps parents and children are seen in dreams as the way they were when they passed simply because one sees them as one expects them to be.
What evidence do you base this knowledge of growth or reversion to prime on exactly?
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That is OK Richard, Dru probably feels exactly the same way, but it does not change things one iota.
I smile to myself when you suggest that it all sounds romantic ....to save hurting anyone's feelings, when you would probably have liked to say 'far-fetched'.
Fanciful and wishful thinking are the terms that spring to mind for me.
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I would not expect someone who is sceptic to take my word for anything, but I only speak from what I myself have have learned through my own experiences.
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why believers seem to have these experiences and sceptics are not. Does being sceptical somehow block one from having paranormal/pyschic experiences and if so, why/how?
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It is good that you speak through exprience, but thats the reason why alot of more sceptical people such as myself would say it is a romantic or far-fetched theory, because we haven't exprienced anything like what you have.
The lack of such experiences does NOT infer that believers are right and sceptics are not.
Perhaps the reality is that sceptics are much better equipped to deal with such experiences and quantify them in more mundane terms.
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Is it?? Perhaps then you or Full House would care to explain why people who are born blind do NOT have visual dreams?
Especially when such limitations DONT exist on the other side.
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You say "when in reality", please explain how you know the "reality" that allegedly goes on in the ether/spirit realm?
Again, from experiences - that are hard to explain to someone who does not believe.
A psychic portrait of a gran that, although the family resemblence is evident, I had never seen my gran so young looking. One done of my son who was only a few hours old when he passed away, but was eager to show himself as around 17 in his portrait, and a later one looking that little bit older - just because he was aware that I had been concerned that I wasn't able to see him growing up like my other children
This is backed up by reading about such occurrances after the event too.
It is also said that this world we live in is the illusion, and the real world is the spirit world. Certainly the spirit world exists on a different vibration to this one, and working so closely with spirit heightens your awareness to this fact.
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Fanciful and wishful thinking are the terms that spring to mind for me.
Because you feel that way, it doesn't make you right, though you, are of course entitled to your own thoughts on the matter, I do not live in a fantasy world any more than you do.
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Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why believers seem to have these experiences and sceptics are not. Does being sceptical somehow block one from having paranormal/pyschic experiences and if so, why/how?
You have hit the nail on the head here Dru.
No matter how much you may argue to the contrary, the state of your mind does affect the ability to experience much of the paranormal.
Although I can understand a sceptic's point of view - wishing to analyse much of the paranormal happenings - it does create blockages to enable them to experience that which a believer has had.
It must be hard for the spirit world to get through when their efforts are continually being rubbished as of no consequence.
Take for instance, should either of your parents be trying to tell you that they are alright, only to have you put this all down to another reason - try to imagine the frustration of the situation from their point.
Would they continue trying, or just give it up as a lost cause knowing that one day you would find the truth out for yourself ?
I think it is simply because of the experiences one has had, which proves beyond a shadow of doubt that there is more than what we can physically see, that makes believers of us.
Nothing and nobody can ever take this knowledge away.
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Is it?? Perhaps then you or Full House would care to explain why people who are born blind do NOT have visual dreams?
Especially when such limitations DONT exist on the other side.
How do you know that they do not have visual dreams Dru ?
Though I have to admit that my niece, who is totally blind from birth, says that she can never remember her dreams - it has nothing to do with the 'other side' or limitations being imposed.
It has to be something to do with one's physical make-up, and I am no authority on that. I would not even know where to start with that one.
Your closing comment would suggest that you are not as much of a sceptic as you would have us believe.
Explain if you would, why you think there may be another side after all, and how you know there are no limitations there ?
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Again, from experiences - that are hard to explain to someone who does not believe.
I hope these experiences are more convincing than those you list below.
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A psychic portrait of a gran that, although the family resemblence is evident, I had never seen my gran so young looking.
You say the 'family resemblence is evident' why dont you say it was spot on accurate? Any artist worth their salt whether just an artist or an alleged psychic one could make the face they are drawing resemble you.
You again say that you have never seen your gran so young looking, arent their any photo's that you can compare the drawing to?
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One done of my son who was only a few hours old when he passed away, but was eager to show himself as around 17 in his portrait, and a later one looking that little bit older - just because he was aware that I had been concerned that I wasn't able to see him growing up like my other children.
First of, let me say that I am very sorry that you lost your son and I appreciate that it must have been a very difficult thing for you to have coped with.
Secondly, and I truely dont mean to sound harsh, tho i dont think theres any other way to put this. A new born baby a few hours old does not have any distinguishing features that will remain (and still be recognisable) with him/her through their teens and then later life. This may be possible in a toddler but highly unlikely in such a young infant. With that in mind I would say that you are merely believing what you want to believe. There is no way you or anyone else can be 100% certain your son will have looked like the artists picture.
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It is also said that this world we live in is the illusion, and the real world is the spirit world.
Said by whom?? Which eminent scientist wrote that? Which astro physicist are you quoting??
I'll wager it was written by a 'believer'!
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Certainly the spirit world exists on a different vibration to this one, and working so closely with spirit heightens your awareness to this fact.
Why so certain? What evidence do/can you offer up to support this notion?
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Fanciful and wishful thinking are the terms that spring to mind for me.
Because you feel that way, it doesn't make you right, though you, are of course entitled to your own thoughts on the matter, I do not live in a fantasy world any more than you do.
I am not saying for one minute that i am right, merely that i believe that accepting dreams as some form of communication from 'the other side' is nothing more than a fantasy in which we would all like it to be true. Doesnt mean it is.
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Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why believers seem to have these experiences and sceptics are not. Does being sceptical somehow block one from having paranormal/pyschic experiences and if so, why/how?
You have hit the nail on the head here Dru.
No matter how much you may argue to the contrary, the state of your mind does affect the ability to experience much of the paranormal.
Although I can understand a sceptic's point of view - wishing to analyse much of the paranormal happenings - it does create blockages to enable them to experience that which a believer has had.
And the reason I was so easily able to hit the nail on the head is because I have heard this argument a million times over from believers and it still doesnt hold water.
You make the statement that "the state of your mind does affect the ability to experience much of the paranormal" and in a way you are right. But only in as much as a believer will make things fit their belief rather than consider other possibe causes. For example, if i took you to an alleged haunted house and you heard what sounded like footsteps coming from an upstairs floor,as a believer, you would be more willing to accept footsteps as a cause than maybe just creaking floorboards contracting as the house cools down at night. Nether of us maybe right in what we believe the cause to be, but as a sceptic I would be willing to consider both explanations as 'possible' a believer will not.
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It must be hard for the spirit world to get through when their efforts are continually being rubbished as of no consequence.
I have worked with mediums, including one who was used in one of MH's live shows. This particular medium attempted to give me a reading while we had a few mins to kill, sadly she was 100% inaccurate. I have seen mediums make mistakes during seances, simply because they forgot what they had said previously and ended up contradicting themselves. It is that evidence that I rubbish claims of people being able to speak to the dear departed.
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Take for instance, should either of your parents be trying to tell you that they are alright, only to have you put this all down to another reason - try to imagine the frustration of the situation from their point.
Please dont insult my parents memory or their intelligence. Both you and I are parents, are you telling me if you were dead and found a way of contacting a family member through a medium that you would try to convince them it was you by telling them the bathroom looks nice with the new coat of paint or that you look different with your new hairdo?? Of course you wouldn't, especially if they were sceptical, you would give them something that was undeniable, something that no matter how hard they tried they couldn't rubbish. E.G something personal that could only mean something to them and not half the population of the known world.
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Would they continue trying, or just give it up as a lost cause knowing that one day you would find the truth out for yourself ?
They wouldn't need to give up, as i said above, if either of my parents could contact mke or pass on a message to me it would relate soley to me and be totally undeniable by me. To date that has not happened, nor do i expect it to anytime soon.
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I think it is simply because of the experiences one has had, which proves beyond a shadow of doubt that there is more than what we can physically see, that makes believers of us.
And what about the experiences one has where one has seen mediums fail time and time again to produce anything that cannot be made to fit almost anyone? Where one has witnessed first hand the mistakes they have made, where one has seen them investigate alleged haunted locations and seen them contact the spirits that haunt that location only to find out later that these 'spirits' where fictional and details leaked out in order to see how the medium would react if armed with this knowledge before hand. Dont those experiences count for anything??
Or where one has seen how mediums use a technique called Cold Reading, whee they extract infomation from the sitter and regurgitate it as if it came from the deceased loved one.
Here is an analysis of a reading i done of one of the countries supposedly top mediums.
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I'd appreciate you taking the time to read it.
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Nothing and nobody can ever take this knowledge away.
At least not while you remain closed minded to other possibilities.
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