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UFOs or Unidentified Flying Objects have been around for centuries, one of the first well documented sightings was in Germany in the year 1561. A report describes how red, blue and black objects appeared to battle each other in the sky.
The real peak of UFO sightings was in the mid 1900's which also saw a surge of crop cirlces appearing overnight.
But is it all just a series of clever hoaxes? Was it invented by the US Government to take attention away from the fact that what people were seeing is actualy new aircraft being tested? Or are we really being visited by life from outer-space?
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I recently saw a programme about hoaxes, they interviewed a guy that claimed to have started the crop circle craze with his friend after a drinking session.
He decided to come clean after hearing the government was about to put a lot of funding into researching the circles, both the guys were in their 60's and certainly didn't seem to be claiming their hoax for fame or fortune.....and he seemed quite able to make an impressive circle in a few minutes with a thrown together 'crop flattener'....!
Some of the more colourful 'circle followers' were quick to dismiss his claims as false as the circles were clearly a message to us from extraterrestrials.
For my own opinion........well he was rather convincing!
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I think I will stick to spirits. The whole UFO thing creeps me out more than any of the invests I have ever done, and there have been some creepy places.
I think its because there could be a possibility that they do exist, what they might look like and their intentions towards us as humans.
I must admit that this subject has been neglected by me somewhat in favour of ghosts and spiritual activity. 
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Crop circles are no more created by 'spirits' or UFOs than lemon squash is created by Jack Daniels.
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Crop circles are no more created by 'spirits' or UFOs than lemon squash is created by Jack Daniels.
I have to agree with you on this, i personaly believe there IS life out there, but i don't believe in UFO's at all.
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Burton UFO Investigation Group [BUFOIG]
97 Wyggeston Street
Burton upon Trent
Staffordshire. DE13 0SD
24hr Tel: 01 283 531 814
Email: contact@bufoig.com
Website: www.bufoig.com
UFORM UK - UFO Research Midlands UK Links
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Hi one of the top web sites in the Midlands.The Research and investigations in to sighting of UFOs.
www.uform.org
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Hi in my younger years i was research in to UFOs for many years and seen a many a strange thing over Ashby and woodville .my older brother seen a UFO over is work shop in Blackfordby and burn marks on the roof. one other of my sighting was three lights in the sky and was seen by other people at the time I was only ten years old. Looking at the web sites there are over 1000s UFO Research and Investigations group in the UK like there are 1000s of paranormal teams.We strive to find real answers based on evidence and not belief
'THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE ".
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BRITAIN'S SECRET 'X-FILES' REVEALED
by Dr David Clarke
The Ministry of Defence has always denied involvement in any official study of the UFO phenomenon. But files recently discovered in Government archives reveal how in 1950 the MOD set up a secret committee of scientists and intelligence experts to investigate sightings of 'flying saucers'. The report they produced for Winston Churchill's Government remained secret for 50 years and even today certain sections remain classified because of their intelligence content.
At the dawn of the 21st century it is claimed that sightings of UFOs have become so few and far between that one of the oldest groups of civilian enthusiasts, the British Flying Saucer Bureau, have announced they are closing down. While recent opinion polls show 50 percent of the public believe we have been visited by aliens, the Ministry of Defence have always denied they had ever taken the subject seriously.
Fifty years ago, at the height of the Cold War, the situation was radically different. Sightings of 'flying saucers' made newspaper headlines every day on both sides of the Atlantic. The now defunct London Sunday Dispatch even described the subject as "bigger than the Atom Bomb Wars." By the summer of 1950 with war in Korea and the successful testing of the first Russian atomic bomb adding to growing international tensions, the Western powers were growing increasingly worried by the 'flying saucer' mystery.
Across the world, nervous fingers hovered above the buttons that could trigger a devastating nuclear exchange. Those entrusted with weapons of mass destruction had only seconds to decide if an unidentified 'blip' tracked by radar was a Russian bomber, guided missile, or simply a "phantom." Whether they existed or not UFOs, quite clearly, had the potential to trigger a Third World War.
Solving the UFO problem became a priority for the top brains in the American CIA and their British counterpart, the MOD's Directorate of Scientific Intelligence (DSI). It was the Defence Intelligence staff that were responsible for assessing any threat posed by UFOs. The DSI advised the Joint Intelligence Committee who ultimately answered to the Prime Minister. Throughout the 1950s the Ministry of Defence tried to calm public fears by debunking 'flying saucer' sightings as meteorites or weather balloons, but behind closed doors they had already launched their own secret study, drawing upon the expertise of the greatest scientific and military minds of the day.
Documents discovered hidden in the archives of the Ministry of Defence, reveal how a team dedicated to the study of flying saucers was set up in October 1950 working closely alongside the CIA who were involved in their own top secret study. The very existence of any "official" study of UFOs had been long denied by the MOD. Even when the minutes of this non-existent committee came to light in 1997, the report it produced could not be found. The document, we were repeatedly assured, was "absent" from the catalogue at the Public Record Office. Staff concluded it "had not survived the passage of time." The report constitutes the "Holy Grail" to those who have always believed that the Ministry of Defence were involved in a cover-up of UFO evidence. It is also an important jigsaw puzzle piece in the history of the Cold War.
The papers reveal that the "Flying Saucer" study was the brainchild of one of Churchill's most trusted scientific advisors, Sir Henry Tizard (right), best known for his role in the development of Britain's pre-World War Two radar defences that proved so decisive during the Battle of Britain. Tizard felt the saucer sightings could not be simply dismissed as delusions, and demanded an investigation of the subject following a pro-saucer newspaper campaign backed by one of the most respected figures of the day, Lord Louis Mountbatten. Mountbatten and a number of other highly placed officials - including Battle of Britain mastermind Air Chief Marshall Hugh Dowding - had privately concluded that flying saucers were advanced craft from outer space.
The Flying Saucer Working Party had five members, representing the elite Technical Intelligence branches of the Air Ministry, Admiralty, War Office and Ministry of Defence. It held its first meeting in October of 1950 in a room at the former Hotel Metropole in Northumberland Avenue, just yards away from Trafalgar Square. As a result, personnel serving with the RAF and Royal Navy were asked to submit sighting reports for investigation.
After eight months of sifting through hundreds of X-Files from as far afield as New Zealand, the committee concluded that only three originated from trustworthy sources and were worthy further study. In June 1950 a pilot on patrol from RAF Tangmere in Sussex sighted a "bright circular metallic object" which sped past his Meteor jet fighter at 20,000 feet. As he was undergoing a debriefing by squadron intelligence it emerged that four RAF controllers at an air defence radar station near Eastbourne had, at the same time, tracked an "unusual response" that vanished from their screens, moving at terrific speed.
The two remaining "reliable" reports both came from an experienced test pilot, who retired from the RAF as a Wing Commander. One morning in August 1950 he spotted a flat disc-shaped object resembling a shirt button, light pearl grey in colour, spinning through a series of S-turns at speeds of up to 1,000 miles per hour above the Royal Aircraft Establishment at Farnborough. Two weeks later the same test pilot, along with five other senior RAF officers, saw another disc-shaped object appear low in the sky in the direction of Guildford and Farnham. The group watched in amazement as the saucer performed a series of amazing high speed manoeuvres, stopping to perform a bizarre "falling leaf" motion before diving towards the horizon. All six were interrogated by MOD team and warned not to discuss what they had seen in public.
Despite the experience and calibre of the RAF witnesses, the Flying Saucer Working Party concluded that the test pilot's first sighting was the result of an optical illusion. It was "impossible to believe", they said, that an unconventional object could have flown at high speed and low altitude over a densely-populated area on a fine summer morning without anyone else having reported it. The five additional witnesses to the second sighting, they concluded, had already been influenced by the first report when they saw their saucer. This was probably a normal aircraft and only appeared unusual because it had been spotted "manoeuvring at extreme visual range."
When the Working Party produced their final report to the Directorate of Scientific Intelligence in June 1951, a special guest at the meeting was the CIA's chief scientist, H. Marshall Chadwell. Dr Chadwell was responsible for the US Government's policy of debunking saucer reports in an effort to remove the threat that belief in UFOs was seen to pose at the height of the Cold War stand-off. It was the CIA's plan to strip the subject of its "privileged position" in the media by an "education programme," and the British were soon to become willing partners in this scheme.
The Flying Saucer Working Party's conclusions were set out in a six-page document (left, Crown Copyright, Public Records Office), DSI/JTIC Report No 7, stamped with the security grade "SECRET." Its title, "Unidentified Flying Objects" reflected American influence (the acronym UFO was coined by the USAF in 1950-51) as did its recommendations - debunk sightings and impose a tight security clampdown to ensure none of the more puzzling cases reached the public. This was the birth of belief in a Government conspiracy to hide "the truth" about UFOs from the public - that was to become a staple part of the X-Files mythology.
UFO believers have claimed that the cover-up of UFO data was imposed to hide the fact that the American and British Governments possessed hard, conclusive evidence of ET-piloted craft. Some of the more wild rumours suggested the Americans had captured a saucer that crashed in the desert near Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947. The Flying Saucer Working Party report lays that myth to rest. It reveals how British Intelligence was informed by a member of the USAF investigation team that "the…sensational report of the discovery of a crashed 'flying saucer' full of the remains of very small beings, was ultimately admitted by its author to have been a complete fabrication."
If the Americans did recover a crashed UFO at Roswell, then clearly even their closest allies did not have sufficient "need to know." Furthermore, the British shared the American view that 'peaks' in UFO sightings closely followed periods of media publicity "indicating the extent to which sightings may be psychological in origin" or were the product of Cold War fears.
As for the possibility of Extraterrestrial visitors, the study was not optimistic. "When the only material available is a mass of purely subjective evidence," the report concluded, "it is impossible to give anything like scientific proof that the phenomena observed are, or are not, caused by something entirely novel, such as aircraft of extraterrestrial origin, developed by beings unknown to us on lines more advanced than anything we have thought of."
Rather than add weight to popular claims that UFOs were visitors from alien civilisations, the experts said they were satisfied that the vast bulk of reports could be accounted for "much more simply" as known astronomical or meteorological phenomena, mistaken identifications of aircraft, balloons, birds and other natural objects, optical and psychological delusions and deliberate hoaxes.
The report maintained that the only effective way to settle the question of UFO reality for good would be to "organise throughout the country, or the world, continuous observation of the skies by a co-ordinated network of visual observers, equipped with photographic apparatus and supplemented by a network of radar stations and sound locators." Such a project, it concluded, would be an expensive and "singularly profitless enterprise." The scathing conclusions continued in the committee's recommendations to the Chiefs of Staff: "....we recommend very strongly that no further investigation of reported mystery aerial phenomena be undertaken, unless and until some material evidence becomes available."
These words came back to haunt the MOD when just a year later, during the hot summer 1952, UFOs appeared in force above Washington D.C. showing up on radar and outpacing the most advanced jet fighters almost as if to **** a snook at those in the US military who had cast doubt upon their existence. The Washington sightings set alarm bells ringing at the very highest levels both in the Roosevelt administration and across the Atlantic in Britain, where Prime Minister Winston Churchill fired off a memo to his Secretary of State for Air, The Lord de L'Isle and Dudley.
"What does all this stuff about flying saucers amount to?" Churchill asked. "What can it mean? What is the truth? Let me have a report at your convenience."
The answer when it came, was not unexpected. Churchill was assured there was nothing to be concerned about. Reports of UFOs and flying saucers, the Air Ministry said, were subject of a full Intelligence study in 1951. This had concluded that all the incidents could be accounted for by mistaken identity, delusions and hoaxes. The Americans had reached a similar conclusion and nothing had happened since then to make them change their mind. Churchill's official Scientific Advisor Lord Cherwell, who was a great rival of Sir Henry Tizard, whose brainchild the Flying Saucer study had been, said he had seen the Secretary of State's minute and "agreed entirely with his conclusions."
Less than a month after Cherwell's kiss of death was administered, UFOs staged a dramatic appearance during one of NATO's largest peacetime exercises, Mainbrace, staged to simulate a Soviet attack on Western Europe. Once again flying saucers were reported by both RAF and Royal Navy personnel, triggering off another wave of newspaper headlines and demands for a Government inquiry.
This time, the kid gloves were off. Orders were sent to all RAF stations invoking the considerable powers available under the Official Secrets Act to forbid service personnel from discussing UFO sightings with members of the public or the Press. "The public attach more credence to reports by Royal Air Force personnel than to those by members of the public," read the order. "All reports are therefore to be classified confidential and personnel are warned that they are not to communicate to anyone other than official persons any information about phenomena they have observed." The classification of restricted was upgraded to confidential in 1956 and the curtain of secrecy remained firmly in place until the end of the Cold War.
In 2001 the Labour Government's plans for a Freedom of Information Act raises the possibility that many other formerly secret documents may one day finally be released to historians.
Today, hidden deep within the archives of Britain's most sensitive Defence Intelligence departments may lie the results of more recent studies of UFOs and the people who claim to see them, waiting to be discovered. We may have to wait 30, 50 or even 100 years to read them. Who knows what we may discover then.
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Flying Saucery
More on the MOD X Files, including the original documents.
David Clarke is a researcher at the National Centre for English Cultural Tradition, University of Sheffield. His new book, Out of the Shadows: UFOs, the Establishment and the Official Cover Up, written with Andy Roberts, will be published by Piatkus in Spring 2002.
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UFOs OVER BURTON
Hi two days ago my friend john sad to me when he was in the police as a chef five years ago. He seen with a other police man in the car going down to brizincote lane Burton. around 9;45 tursday. A UFO going over the fields about 20 feet of the ground gray and lights all over. He sad it looked like a five story block of flats moving very slow to the A444.The lights switching on then off and sparks jumping from the electricity pylons and power lines.It had like a magnetic field around it.They call it in but the radios not working as it past them it speeded up and headed to Ashby .He call Coalville police they last sight of it over Swannington the A511.
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