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Re: Fake Mediums & Psychic. ( two )
I know this is going to sound a little daft but im planning to go to a psychic fair at the weekend and was wondering if theres any ways of really telling if a medium is fake or not?
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Re: Fake Mediums & Psychic. ( two )
Hi free spirit It's not daft, i do not think you can tell if any mediums are fake by looking at them, the only way is by reputation, or if you have seen them before or had been recommended by someone. There is so many fakes, personally i will never pay a medium or psychic. Sorry not much help. But have fun, you must do a bit of people watching.
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Re: Fake Mediums & Psychic. ( two )
Hi there Freespirit, I agree with John Doe to a degree, but I think the best way is to observe them on a few readings to see how they conduct themselves & if they are very samey if you know what I mean. Ask a few of the people that have been to them for readings what they thought about them, did they get anything right, did they ask any leading questions. Check out the stall aswell, see if any of them are scared of the new law that is out protecting the public from possible fakes. The genuine ones will have their own liability insurance & won't have any concerns about it, on the other hand there will be ones who will have put a sign on their stalls allmost as a disclaimer saying that it is for entertainment purposes.
I hope this has been of use to you & wish you all the best in your event.
If you have any other questions you would like to ask regarding this topic, feel free to email me personally using the email address listed on the contacts page.
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Re: Fake Mediums & Psychic. ( two )
Thanks everyone thats really helpful advice and i ll be sure to keep my eye on them its been a long time since ive been to anything like this so thanks again hopefully it ll all be good  )
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Re: Fake Mediums & Psychic. ( two )
The Big BadPsychics List up date.
Alan Bridges
Amanda Jayne Hart
Andrew McKellar
Ashley Scoulding
Barry Rathbone
Becky Walsh
Ben Murphy
Carla Baron
Carole McEntee-Taylor
Charles J Sibley
Chip Coffey
Chris Robinson
Christine Hamlett
Christopher Heath
Colin Fry
Craig Shell
David Charles
David McEntee-Taylor
David Thompson
David Traynor
David Wells
Deb Webber
Derek Acorah
Derek Ogilvie
Diane Lazarus
Doreen Virtue
Doris Collins
Doris Stokes
Ed Warren
Ezio De Angelis
Gary Mannion
Gary Schwartz
Gary Spivey
Gaye Wright
Goldy
Gordon Smith
Helena Steiner-Hornsteyn
Helen Duncan
Honor Broxap
Ian Jones
James Van Praagh
Jeff Baker
Joanne Buckley
Joanne Hull
Joe Power
John Edward
John J Oliver
Julie Angel Guest
Jun Labo
Katie Coutts
Kevin Wade
Lee Catt
Leslie Flint
Lisa Williams
Lorraine Warren
Lynda Jakiro
Matthew Webb
Mia Dolan
Maureen Flynn
Nancy Orlen Weber
Nella Jones
Nina Knowland
Noreen Renier
Patricia Brooks
Patrick Hamouy
Patrick Hutchinson
Paul Lawson
Pauline Morgan
Philena Bruce
Philip Holden
Philip Solomon
Rayleen Kable
Richard Lawrence
Rosemary Altea
Rose Schwab
Ruth Urquhart
Sally Morgan
Sam Amos
Sarah Delamere Hurding
Sarah Tyler-Walters
Sharon Neill
Shaun Dennis
Shé D'Montford
Silvana Fillmore
Simon Peters
Stephen Holbrook
Stephen Turoff
Sue Dobbs
Summer Bacon
Sylvia Brown
Tim Dews
Tony Stockwell
Tracy Higgs
Uri Geller
Vicki Vale
Viv Llewellyn
Warren Caylor
There are about another three to go on that List from Swadlincote. But in time they will...
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Re: Fake Mediums & Psychic. ( two )
just about all of the ones anyone has ever heard of then tech.
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Are guest from late year, ETSS 2007 is in there ,Patrick Hutchinson.The BadPsychics web site do not like him..
 
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From the BadPsychics web site.
You will forgive the Guinness/whiskey influence on this article, but it's been a long night. It shouldn't have been, but it was.
So, there I was, faced with the option of another night watching TV or, going to see "The Midlands very own" and "The Soul Toucher", 'Psychic/Medium' Patrick Hutchinson live at the Old Lodge Hotel in Malton, North Yorkshire.
It was a close run thing, but lets face it, how could I possibly pass on the opportunity, its ten minutes away.
By Meercat
www.patrickhutchinson.co.uk
I purposely denied myself painkillers for most of the day as not to 'blur' my experience, although the resulting pain did nothing for my mood, but, knowing they served an excellent pint of Guinness at the Old Lodge, my spirits were high (no, intentional pun, although I'm pretty sure they'll come later.)
On arrival at this magnificent building (which by the way has a wonderful history behind it) I was reassured to see some familiar faces behind the bar as I ordered my drink and seated myself in the beautiful wood panel bar. I knew I was in good company as I had arrived at exactly the same time as Patrick Hutchinson who had apparently been 'caught in traffic'. The Guinness was wonderful (I'm desperately trying not to slip into Gilly Gouldon mode here) and I was in lovely surroundings, to be honest, Psychics aside, I was set for the night. But, needs must.
I reminded myself why I had ventured from Meercat Towers on such a wild night, and, taking my beer firmly in my grasp, I made my way to 'the room'.
I shall say at this point I was not alone. I was joined by a 'believer turned sceptic' and a bloke who was there purely because there was whiskey involved and he didn't have to drive, otherwise known as my parents. (and my chauffeurs for the evening).
On entering 'the room', we duly parted with our nine pounds a piece and received a 'Bingo marker' red dot on the backs of our hands to prove we were legitimate punters should we need to leave 'the room' for any reason. I was very surprised, on previously viewing Hutchinson's website, the photos I had seen for his 'events' had shown very few people, and yet here I was looking at a room of maybe 60-70 seated people.
We made our way to the back of the room and took our seats, having wrestled with the instruction book for my mobile phone earlier, I managed to turn on the 'voice record' on it. I suddenly had a curious feeling of, I don't know... 'doubt'? I had made no bones about coming to see Hutchinson, I mentioned on my original article I was thinking about sending someone to report for me, and yet I was at that stage where I thought, "if he's genuine, he'll know I'm here". A touch of paranoia set in, I wasn't sure my disguise of the pink chiffon ****tail dress, duffel coat and trombone would be enough to fool him. It transpires, my worries were needless.
Seated at the back, we watched as the man himself appeared, complete with 'Madonna style' head microphone that uses technology designed to amplify, and yet at the same time, completely distort what the wearer is saying. I finished my Guinness and sat back waiting for 'contact' to be made.....
Hutchinson pointed to a man near the front. "I'm being drawn to you. Does the name Thomas, or Tom, mean anything to you?"
The man said no.
"Well, I'm not going to leave it, that's the names I've been given" he looks around himself... "Have you anything to do with hunting, or shooting, or guns?".
"No" says the man
"I'm not letting this one go" says Hutchinson,"this is was I have been given" "I'm being shown a suicide as well" and Hutchinson paces around a little bit.
I have to say at this point, what I can't express on a written piece is Hutchinson's use of the word "Okay". I cant describe how he says it other than use an example. Find a clip of 'South park', in particular 'Mr Mackey when he says "Drugs Are Bad. And If You Do Drugs You're Bad. Okayyyy", and then you'll get a vague idea of what I'm taking about. Even at 5 minutes into his show, I was finding it hard to concentrate, my mobile phone on my knee, set to voice record, an empty pint glass on one side, and my bloody Father giggling like a school girl every time Hutchinson said "Okay...." on the other. Hutchinson's use of the word "yous" instead of "you" also had my father blowing whiskey from his nose on a number of occasions....
So.. on to 'Thomas'. 'Tom' and now 'Tommy' .....just in case...... we return to the subject in question. The man finally made a connection, after ten minutes.
Wiping my fathers whiskey mucus from my sleeve I listened intently.
The man had once known a man called Tom when he was young, and someone else he had known had committed suicide. Bugger me, this Hutchinson's good...
"But what about the guns, the hunting, the firearms, the ..." asked Hutchinson....
"Yeah, I used to have an air rifle" says the man......
I avoided the exorcist like spray of whiskey coming from my Father. Don't you hate it when people don't take things seriously?....
Now at the beginning of the 'show' Hutchinson tells us that he "tells it like it is", and if people have a problem with what he says, all they have to do is tell him to stop, "But if you deny it, it just makes it worse for me" say Hutchinson.
That's good, if he is giving information to the audience we would rather not be public, all we have to do is tell him. That works really well if you can tell him BEFORE he has said it.
Hutchinson, now having a 'positive hit' continued with the man who had made a 'Tom' connection. We then learned about a drug problem, a prison problem and a financial problem. "I tell it like it is!" says Hutchinson. I have no idea due to the man being too far away from me if he confirmed any of the 'problems' were actually relevant. But I know when I saw him in the bar later, I did wonder what his drug/prison/financial problems were. Now thats not right, is it?....
Hutchinson then moved to a group of females, then changed his mind and looked at a group on the other side of the room, he didn't know 'where' he was being drawn to, but it was defiantly one of the two groups. "A Mary" he said, "Is anyone here called Mary, or knows someone called Mary". From both groups the answer was "No".
"Police Officer?" asks Hutchinson. "with a Mary connection, or an 'M' name'" tries Hutchinson... " no" was the response from both groups.
"How about 'Michele'" offers one girl.... "no, its a Mary" says Hutch.
( Notice how I have reduced 'Hutchinson' to 'Hutch' and therefore saving letters?....)
We then went, for some reason, from 'Mary' to 'police officer' to 'Stripes like a Sergeant' to a bloke who had a member of his family in the Air force who was a Sergeant. I don't know how we got there but we did.
The rest was a bit blurry, I personally blame the Guinness and the Whiskey vapour I was inhaling from my Father laughing, but the next thing I heard was "disabled".
Now... I'm confused here, because he started taking about a 'fetus' and the woman with the man who had knitted a connection to Mary the Police Officer who was now an uncle in the Air force said it made sense. (I know, I know... just bloody well keep up...)
Now, its difficult to remain undercover when you have have two respectable parents, who quite frankly are old enough to know better (My Father was 106 last month) rolling around on the floor blowing whiskey bubbles out of their noses. But I persevered. Up to the point when I joined them on the floor when Hutch saw a 'disability' that was confirmed as 'Meningitis'... When the hell did meningitis become a disability?.....
So... Air force man and his wife, fetus woman (not derogatory comments, just trying to 'identify 'them for you) had their confirmation of the afterlife (apparently) so Hutch decides to go one step further, "You've both been married before". Well, as it happens, they hadn't.
"Who's that sat next to you?" asks Hut (Blimey, I wish I had thought of 'Hut' earlier, look how many letters I can avoid typing!) "are you with them?".
"Yes" says Air force man. "Then its YOU" says Hut! "I'm seeing travel, I want to go abroad with you, I'm seeing abroad, does Rhodesia mean anything to you?"
""No" is the response
"Are you sure" he asks again
"Really sure" is the reply.
Hut, or 'H' as I shall now refer to him as, struts to the front of the room. "You want proof?" he asks.
My Father peered out from under one of the chairs... "proof of what?" he dribbled...
I tried to explain to him in a hushed voice that Hutchinson was going to 'prove' that this person knew something about Rhodesia even thought they said they didn't. Over the sound of my Mother singing the second chorus to " There's an old mill by the stream Nellie Dean" whilst trying to balance a wine glass on the radiator, my Father asked "How?....."
I was curious myself....
How do you provide 'proof' that a person knows something about Rhodesia when they say they don't? How else but ask for a table and a glass to be brought into the room...
I have to admit, that bit lost me a little....
In the blue corner we have person who claims to know nothing about a foreign Country, in the red corner, the defender of the title, 'The Hut' armed with a table and a glass. what followed was one of the most bizarre things I had ever seen.
'H' requested that the person involved, and the people with them, approached the table. He then asked if there was anyone in the audience that doubted the belief in spirit, two brave souls raised their arms. (I would have done so myself, but was trapped in my chair by two inebriated parents who were now playing pat-a-cake).
Hut chose the female sceptic and asked her to join them at the table and place her finger on the glass with the others. Ten minutes of Hut 'getting angry' with his Spirit guide and the glass had failed to do anything. "This place is haunted" says the Hut, "lets call on them". erm... nope, the glass stayed where it was. "You must be very weak entities" scolds 'H'.
Plan 'B'. Remove two people from the table and replace them with two others. Yep, that'll move the glass. Well, as it happens, no, it didn't. Plan 'C', stare at the ceiling for a couple of minutes, and then move the table three feet to the left...any good? Bugger...Last chance, Plan 'D', Hutchinson removes the sceptic from the table and replaces HER with someone else. "MOVE" he shouts at the glass..... Hmmmm.
I'll come clean here. At this point we had a 'team meeting'. The bar was still open. The entire room was either talking among themselves or staring at a glass wondering if it would move. By this point I think everyone had forgotten what Hutchinson was going to 'prove' by doing this. Still, its a good way of killing half an hour.
Taking my Mother and Father firmly by the ankles, I dragged them passed the 'seance' table toward the bar, excusing ourselves as we went by. I found it curious that a female was sat outside the room working on a laptop, I found it even more curious to see a young man, who I had seen arrive with Hutchinson, in the bar at a table, sat in front of another laptop, whilst wearing earphones. His iPod I presume..
On arrival at the bar, and during the purchasing of most of the bar, we noticed a woman stood there who had been sat a couple of seats in front of us. "I'm glad you came out" she said, "it was a perfect excuse for me to get out too". A few minutes later, I beckoned the woman to join us at our table. "I hope you don't mind me asking" I said, "but are you a believer?". She looked me in the eye and said "Totally, but that man can no more talk to the dead than I can, what a con". It transpires that this lady had recently lost her partner and was in the area house hunting with friends, and was a great believer in the afterlife having, as she said, numerous experiences herself that proved it to her.
But she would rather sit in the bar with an orange juice and a newspaper than listen to Hutchinson, even after paying to see him. She stated to me that she could not believe he had made about £700 "for that rubbish".
We stayed a little longer, had a few more drinks. The lady was waiting for her friends who had chosen to stay until the end of the show. We debated about going on his 'ghost hunt' around the Old Lodge with them after his show had finished, but after listening to the ladies friends on their arrival, we decided not to. Apparently he had become quite 'defensive' when a member of the audience had stated Hutchinson was 'very negative'.
After the long trek back home on the back of a very annoyed llama, I viewed Hutchinson's website again before writing this article. He states:
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I put a small article up on the "Media and News" page about a case of child sexual abuse in November last year. A week or so ago I found myself to be the victim of a campaign to call me a liar and discredit me from the Bad Psychics site, UK Skeptics site and even the James Randi forum in the US. It's like chinese whispers - the story has changed as it's gone along.
No, the story remains the same. You claim to have exposed a child abuser using evidence from 'beyond the grave'.
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The article I printed is totally true - the people who were there all know it to be so. It was not an "interrogation" as they say - it was a simple 2 -3 minute message. Anyone who has seen me knows I always tell the audience I am very upfront and if they don't want me to talk about something just say so and I'll stop
Just like the bloke tonight who you said had a connection to drugs, prison and financial problems. Unfortunately, by the time you had said them, it's a little too late to tell you to stop isn't it? A for "2-3 minutes", why did you state on your website "Finally the girl broke down and admitted it had happened". Does that sound like 2-3 minutes?
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The girl in the case, although upset, obviously, was quite willing to allow me to talk about it. I did not "place false memories" in the girl's mind as accused.
You have NOT been accused of anything, in fact in my original article I made a point of saying "I'm not saying that is the case here, but its the first thing that crossed my mind" I'm saying there is a history behind behaviour like this.
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In addition to their childish and idiotic slagging of and virtually calling me a child molester
Be so kind as to point out where this has happened, if you cannot, remove that statement from your website now. I am the author of that article, and if you are saying I have "virtually called you a child molester" I want evidence, and want it very quickly.
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these sites have also tried ringing venues in an attempt to cancel my future bookings!!
As far as I'm aware, one member of BP emailed the Old Lodge with regards to the article about you. If anyone else has taken it upon themselves to phone your booked venues, then so be it, perhaps it's the women who caused you to remove your guest book?....
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If you check out their sites you will see that they actually insult every medium you can think of from Doris Stokes to Derek Acorah etc and according to them they are all fakes - so I feel I'm in good company if nothing else.
Doris Stokes and Derek Acorah? Well Patrick, I'm glad you feel you're in good company.....
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These people obviously have nothing better to do with their lives and I, personally, find that rather sad.
You mean trying to open peoples eyes to what's going on? How sad is it to take the sort of money you did tonight for what you did? Do you really think people came away from there with a good feeling? I spoke to a group of six people outside The Old Lodge, I explained I was writing an article about tonights show.
Patrick, they were not impressed. I mean REALLY not impressed. Add those to myself and the two I was with, the lady who was house hunting and her two friends, and these people are believers Patrick, not sceptics. I wish I could have had the chance to have the conversations I had tonight with the rest of the audience.
If indeed it did happen, my argument on the original article was that it was a subject that should NOT have been brought up in front of an audience. Surely that's just common sense?
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I have no worries though, because all who have seen me know I am totally honest in all that I say and do and have nothing to hide from anyone.
I could name a few people after tonight.....
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I have spoken to the CID involved and have been told, as I already assumed, that I can under no circumstances give anymore details or information about this case. If I mention names, places etc I, myself, could be arrested as I would be contravening the Data Protection Act so I have no intention of doing so.
Patrick, please. The Data Protection Act has NOTHING to do with it.
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Once it goes to court then I will release details etc. and not, as predicted by these morons.....
You do realise how defamatory calling someone a moron is don't you Patrick?
Thanks for a complete waste of nine pounds tonight, that could have been another couple of pints. Still at least you don't have to worry about me turning up to another of your 'shows'.
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