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The DEVIL?
The Pagan faith is believed to have started sometime in the 4th Century. Their religion - PAGAN. Believe it or not, is one of the oldest religions in the world, if not the oldest. PAGAN - meaning " Country Dweller, which was given to those who did not follow Christianity" and the godly figure that they pray to or worship is that of the horned beast or what most people believe to be is the DEVIL.
It is believed to have began a long time before Christianity and over the years, the Christian followers grew & they didn't believe in some of the beliefs that the Pagans did. So they outlawed the pagans and labelled their god as the devil and his work was EVIL.
Before anyone judges what the pagan symbol of their god, take a look at it & break it down into what it symbolises and then make your mind up.
Ok, lets look at the main structure.
It is half man & half beast - This is to symbolise that both man and beast live on the earthly planes as an equal.
The horns that protrude from his head - They are there to symbolise the crescent moon, which in reference to the Witches Almanac the crescent moon symbolises femininity. This is also showing that both man and woman also live as equals. So everyone and everything, whether that be man or beast, male or female all live as equals.
Is this image really what we perceive to be that of the devil, really the devil or just an ancient religion that has over the years been outcast?
Is there really such a place as hell or is it merely the life that we have created for ourselves here on earth - Quote: (Hell on Earth)?
When we die and we go to the pearly gates of heaven. For those of us who don't make it for what ever reason and get sent to hell, where do we go? To some they believe that there is no such place as the hell that what is set in peoples eyes as fire and brimstone but that we get sent back to the earthly planes and re-incarnated in order to relive our lives and correct the mistakes we made first time.
I hope this gives everyone something to think about. I and am sure that the others on our team would love to hear your thoughts.
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14/Sep/2008, 7:36 pm
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My sister-in-law was of the belief that "Hell" is where we live now,and when you die you go to "Heaven".
As for "The Devil" I really think there must be some truth in it ,and that he or she looks as I have just read , with so many evil and vile things happening in the world
some thing or someone must put the thoughts there.
As for re-incarnation surely such people could never be given a second chance !
...Bx
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14/Sep/2008, 8:46 pm
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Re: The DEVIL?
Just a thought - there are religions that predate christianity by thousands of years, so a religion originating in the 4th century is a youngster by most standards  I'm not sure why you then say that it actually started before christianity?
If anything I'd say that the casting of the devil as a horned creature is nothing more than an attempt to attach evil symbolism to elements of existing belief systems that couldn't be incorporated.
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15/Sep/2008, 2:25 pm
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I found your last passage about "The Devil"seemed to make a bit of sense ,and it got me wondering if that could have been one of the reasons why the word"Devil"came about.
If you look at the word backwards it just spells "Lived", so could people have been afraid of somebody who seemed wise beyond what was known in their time ?
Probably a silly idea here,don,t really understand myself now ,but it just got me thinking ...Bx
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15/Sep/2008, 7:27 pm
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Sorry for the miss undestanding about the date that I put down the 4th century. I have been told to that it predates christianity by hundreds of years if not more than that. I will have to research it a little more.
Bezzajs, I have never looked at the word that way before, but yes the actual word & the association to the devil, is it meerly just a definition that has been created by christianity over the years. If you dont see as the lord does, then it is evil. It is Christianity that have embeded the image & the beliefs of the Pegan god as the devil, because it differs from their own.
If this is the case though why has other religions not been labelled the same. Then again Wars have been created by by people trying to answer this question.
Another source said that there is only one god. The image of god may be different depending on your religion, but he is but one person. I saw a Star Trek Film - The Final Frontier, they travelled to the centre of the galaxy to meet god as that is where he was supposed to reside. On arrival & he shown himself to them, each person saw him as their own god, but it was but one entity. I know that perticular film the manifistation was not a god, but an entity, but the idea is there, do we all see what we want to see as our god, but is it one person. So is the DEVIL, nothing more than the same god but seen as a different figure through the eyes of another religion.
Allot of people from the past & even now are affraid of what they dont understand.
This planet is ours, we wont get another if we destroy this. If we are all seeing the same person, but his image differs depending on our own beleifs, then why carn't we just accept it & live in harmony, maybe then we could actually say that heaven is a place on earth.
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25/Sep/2008, 12:23 am
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Sorry, I meant to repost - after re-reading a bit more I think I get where you're coming from.
Paganism isn't so much a specific faith as a collection of aligned and constantly shifting beliefs, and the roots of those beliefs may indeed go back a lot further than Christianity. The word 'Pagan' was around for some time before it was adapted to effectively mean 'a belief system other than christianity' and the earliest recorded uses of the word in that sense seem to be from around the 4th century.
Does that possibility come close to the ones indicated by your research?
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Yes i think so.
If you look at history and things that have happened over the years, most of them if not all are related to religion. Religion seems to be the source of all wars. Yet we all apparently pray to what is one god under many guises. If this is true, then someone is getting the translations wrong along the way. Why would one god tell his followers to fight amongst each other or is this a way of dare I say it, spiritual cleansing.
What I am trying to say is that anything that happens that is against the dominate religion is always labelled as evil and the leader labelled as being coerced by the Devil.
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