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I have issues.
 I might potentially, possibly, just maybe, be in the lead for having "issues" at the moment.
Or I might not. 
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Re: Something that I'm sure EVERYONE's thought about.
*****s an eyebrow at ButMad*
I'll leave that lie until you want to elaborate.
I'm going to sidestep my first impulse, which is to blatantly self-promote "ACT V, scene i" (aka my Viction). Most of the people who remain have seen and commented favorably, thus satisfying my often formidable ego, so let's get back to the question:
What is V like as a lover?
Though his body-consciousness is evident in his reaction about Evey's seeing his bare hands, I think it's as much that she caught him in an unguarded moment as the scars themselves. Later, when she asks to see his face, he's simple, direct, and honest about what he wants and needs. Unlike the Phantom, he doesn't recoil in fury and self-pity, merely indicating that he's more comfortable masked. He know what he WANTS to look like. He may even have a sense of what he DID look like. And that has been taken from him. It's a very deep scar, and one that no amount of time will likely heal.
The key, as many fanfics have indicated, is to get him into the right setting. There's no point in wishing that one part of his anatomy had survived the blaze unscathed. (Unless that's the fantasy that does it for you in which case, fantasize away.) He'll probably be happier and more comfortable either in the dark or with a blindfolded lover. Each has its own set of problems:
The dark tends to be colder, and for someone without the protective layers of fat and skin, that could be an issue. Underground vaults are not know for their coziness. Human beings also tend to be clumsier when they can't see clearly, thus I have a personal aversion to sex play in the dark just because I don't find the accidental elbow-to-the-nose particularly erotic, either to give or receive. I'd venture the need for lots of warm bedclothes and maybe a decent heat source. Also a door with a lock on it, though one should be sensitive to V's former life as an inmate - the room should be neither too confining, nor too defenseless.
Oh, and let him bring the knives.  Aside from the erotic uses I'd imagined, having protection of the cold steel variety at hand might do much to persuade V to let down his emotional defenses. It's too much to ask someone like him to just drop trou in the bright glaring light with no possibility of refusal or retreat.
Indeed, I'd argue that very few of use would find such a setting erotic.
Second possibility: the blindfolded lover. It's not enough to close your eyes. The stress and tension of being seen would ruin the mood. But blindfolds are tricky things. I might suggest a sleep mask, as it conforms more readily to the contours of the head. But then the balance of power is shifted. In seeing but not being seen, it's in V's hands to lead the action. Could you trust him enough to let yourself fall into his hands? Could you let your libido trump your curiosity and NOT sneak a peek?
Also, are you comfortable enough in your OWN skin to work erotically without the benefit of sight? Do you know the male body in all its curves and planes and bends? The sensitive spots? The unusual textures? Do you have the fortitude to imagine how a touch might inflame? How a patient hand might be the most erotic contact of all? How to allow for the possibility that there may be no lips to kiss at all?
Intimate contact, as others have noted, can have such a healing effect. This is especially true for those with deep and lasting scars. This is even more true for V, who knows himself to be a virtuous monster, the hand of Nemesis, a masculine Justice with the blades to match. In loving and being loved, which is even more important than any position or piece of anatomy, he might find the piece of him that is still human, and in doing that, find peace.
I think he's a beautiful and very wounded creature. He's ruthless, but also oddly worthy of love. And with his will and your way, I'd argue that turning a mind like his to the task of pleasing and being pleased by another might be a HIGHLY erotic proposal.
So.
What is V like as a lover?
I don't know.
But I'd love to find out.
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Re: Something that I'm sure EVERYONE's thought about.
Beautifully wriiten MK.  A big squooble for you! 
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There's no point in wishing that one part of his anatomy had survived the blaze unscathed.
As long as it all still works, I don't mind how burnt it is!
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He'll probably be happier and more comfortable either in the dark or with a blindfolded lover. Each has its own set of problems:
I think the right person could convince him that he is beautiful the way he is and he would soon become a lights on kind of chap. 
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The dark tends to be colder, and for someone without the protective layers of fat and skin, that could be an issue. Underground vaults are not know for their coziness. Human beings also tend to be clumsier when they can't see clearly, thus I have a personal aversion to sex play in the dark just because I don't find the accidental elbow-to-the-nose particularly erotic, either to give or receive. I'd venture the need for lots of warm bedclothes and maybe a decent heat source. Also a door with a lock on it, though one should be sensitive to V's former life as an inmate - the room should be neither too confining, nor too defenseless
1. I'm more than happy to keep him warm.
2. Fumbling in the dark? Okay by me.
3. In order to be sensitive to his former life and not lock him in, I am prepared to let him take me as his prisoner - I don't mind honestly. 
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Could you trust him enough to let yourself fall into his hands? Could you let your libido trump your curiosity and NOT sneak a peek?
Yes and yes! He can keep his mask on the whole time if he wants, whatever, just bring it on!
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Intimate contact, as others have noted, can have such a healing effect. This is especially true for those with deep and lasting scars. This is even more true for V, who knows himself to be a virtuous monster, the hand of Nemesis, a masculine Justice with the blades to match. In loving and being loved, which is even more important than any position or piece of anatomy, he might find the piece of him that is still human, and in doing that, find peace.
Agreed. The love of a good woman would do him the world of good.
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I think he's a beautiful and very wounded creature. He's ruthless, but also oddly worthy of love. And with his will and your way, I'd argue that turning a mind like his to the task of pleasing and being pleased by another might be a HIGHLY erotic proposal
Yep, yep, yep. As a human he has rights as an individual. He seems to believe he is responsible for righting the world's wrongs, and let's face it he does a great job, but what about his own life? He is worthy of love and his own life.
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So.
What is V like as a lover?
I don't know.
But I'd love to find out.
Me too. I think as things stood in the movie, his untimely ending was the only option, but had he met someone who really loved him (Not baldy, who wasn't really ever comitted enough to him in my opinion) then he may have reason enough to want to live.
His super quick reactions, flexibility, fitness and his ability to be passionate about what he believed in suggest to me that he would be an excellent lover.
But we can't know for sure, if only we could test the theory!
Right, cold shower it is then! 
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Re: Something that I'm sure EVERYONE's thought about.
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*****s an eyebrow at ButMad*
I'll leave that lie until you want to elaborate.
....thus illustrating one of the oddities of living with someone while posting on the same message board as them.  The anonymity of the 'Net gets stripped somewhat; it's harder to get away with odd comments when you're face-to-face most of the time IRL.
Anyway. In a nutshell, for the benefit of wondering board members, I'll say that the previous comment rose from the fact that I'm obsessing a bit (who? me?  ) about a Scottish accent I discovered recently. It's yummy.
As for the rest of your post:
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I don't find the accidental elbow-to-the-nose particularly erotic
As I just said IRL: 
And for the rest, all I can say is:   
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His super quick reactions, flexibility, fitness and his ability to be passionate about what he believed in suggest to me that he would be an excellent lover.
But we can't know for sure, if only we could test the theory!
Right, cold shower it is then!
*karmas F4E*
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....thus illustrating one of the oddities of living with someone while posting on the same message board as them.
Yeah, that must weird!
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Anyway. In a nutshell, for the benefit of wondering board members, I'll say that the previous comment rose from the fact that I'm obsessing a bit (who? me? ) about a Scottish accent I discovered recently. It's yummy
It's just great having something to be passionate about. I'm currently obsessed with the lead singer of my favourite band. I could cry just looking at him he's so beautiful! Scottish accent has always had a special place in my heart too!
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You little cup cake you! Watch out, coming right back at ya!
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V's just alsright as he is. Pure love is what V should have. 
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Re: Something that I'm sure EVERYONE's thought about.
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V's just alsright as he is. Pure love is what V should have.
You're so right!
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don't forget he could swing either way
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Re: Something that I'm sure EVERYONE's thought about.
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don't forget he could swing either way
There has been a lot of speculation about that, some of it very unkind. Personally, I'm more likely to buy into V as bi than gay for the simple reason that his attraction to Evey is so viscerally evident. She DOES IT for him. Check out the near-kiss in Valerie's shrine after the torture sequence. If that isn't V's heart going a million miles an hour while what remains of his gonads stands at attention, I don't know what is.
But if he is non-straight, which is certainly possible, I don't really see much evidence of his acting on his male attractions. He may have a crush on Robert Donat, but that does not a bisexual make. He's flamboyant, but so was Herny VIII, and he was about as straight as they come (pun intended.)
So what think the Vixens? Is our dear drool-worthy vigilante batting for both teams?
I'd want to hear persuasive arguments either way, though LedaWife's Magnum Opus "Overture" definitely flirts with the somewhat quicksilver nature of V's sexuality.
Oh, and F4E, I KARMA you lots.
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I have thought about this question, and personally, I do not believe that V was bi. He was a maverick, a rugged individualist, an artist, a poet and a hell of a fighting machine. I also feel that the movie is open to interpretation. Often cited is the similarity between Gordon and V’s statements to Evey. While the theme of “there are no coincidences” abounds in this movie, as well as many mystery plots, there is a word (which I am bereft of at the moment) which describes the noticing of a thing after one has been exposed to it for the first time: suddenly, it is as though that experience or thing is seen everywhere. We have even discussed this under the thread “V-icarious moments”. Though V wears a colorful apron, is adept at cooking, was in Larkhill, many men possess a feminine side while being sexually interested in women only. As a female, I very much appreciate the beauty of a woman, be it her physicality or personality. There is also a side of me that is masculine. As a human being, I feel that a person can be multi-faceted, like a diamond, having many beautiful colors and glints of light. As such, reflections of male/female abound. So, really, sexuality is such a personal thing that I do see that V could be considered by some as bi. But for me, I feel his love for Evey was heterosexual. As Finch says, “it’s just a feeling”.
And I agree Melinda Kitty, that near kiss scene, his sense of her betrayal at the abbey and his dying scene, so show, to me, that he has GOT IT for Evey.
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