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Re: The erotic dynamics of alliteration, or why it felt that way.
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Re: The erotic dynamics of alliteration, or why it felt that way.
I wonder though, do you think that V would have had a different impact, less so maybe, if he didn't have an English accent? What accent someone speaks in is obviously going to effect the voice, so what do you think...
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Re: The erotic dynamics of alliteration, or why it felt that way.
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I wonder though, do you think that V would have had a different impact, less so maybe, if he didn't have an English accent?
Even then, you have to pick the right English accent. West Country accents, for example, while they are indeed fine in their place, just aren't what you might call...impressive. This is why James Earl Jones was brought in to be Darth Vader's voice. The alternative doesn't bear thinking about...
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Re: The erotic dynamics of alliteration, or why it felt that way.
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I wonder though, do you think that V would have had a different impact, less so maybe, if he didn't have an English accent?
EVERYONE in the movie had an English accent (some more so than others.) It was the tone of V's voice that did it for me, the way I could almost wrap myself up in it. The accent was set-dressing.
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What accent someone speaks in is obviously going to [a]ffect the voice, so what do you think...
I think I'd point again to the big factors: tone, cadence, elocution, and content.
V has a beautiful voice, he uses it to maximum effect, communicates every word, and what he has to say has emotional and philosophical impact. There are no wasted words with V. If he doesn't need to speech-ify, he doesn't. When he does, people sit up and take notice.
HOWEVER, that said, in America there is a long-standing stereotype that people who speak in an upper-class British accent are more intelligent, better educated, and more refined socially than those who don't. The Supervillain in American movies will usually have a really nice British accent as an unconscious signal that this guy's going to be REALLY clever and will thus take much more guts and smarts to defeat than the average, run-of-the-mill street thug.
That said, it's more about class than national identity because the key phrase above was "upper-class". The neatly-trimmed tones of the aristocrat give an entirely different impression than the rolling slush of ****ney, which is seen as indication of criminal intent here. Any foreign lackey of the Supervillain in an American movie will most likely have a ****ney accent. Like his boss's accent, the ****ney chap speaks as he does to indicate that he's not above getting his hands (and weaponry) dirty. When we're not dealing with chimney sweeps or loveable orphan ruffians, ****ney often gets set as signal that this person is lowbrow and more than a little sinister.
Class, not national identity. It's the same difference between a Southern gentleman and a redneck = same part of the word, though one will hold the door for you with a polite bow and the other will... well... *plays sinister banjo music*
V doesn't particularly stand out from everyone else except for the way in which he uses words and his voice. He has the masterful elocution of a professional actor, which adds resonance and emphasis to the really very intelligent things he has to say. He's a patriot and a self-appointed crusader for justice. In short, he's not hypnotic 'cause he's a Brit; he's hypnotic 'cause he's *V*. The British accent is to be expected 'cause he's in Britain and... well... they talk that way there. 
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Re: The erotic dynamics of alliteration, or why it felt that way.
 I continue to be blown away be the sheer intelligence of the people on this board.  Thank you God for this seemingly last bastion of reason in an otherwise sensless world.
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Wow. It's nice to be loved. 
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Re: The erotic dynamics of alliteration, or why it felt that way.
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Regardless of flair, V's interactions with male and female alike are straight as an arrow.
Yep, he kills man, he saves a beatiful woman... That`s defintely a staright interaction...
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Re: The erotic dynamics of alliteration, or why it felt that way.
MelindaKitty wrote " the DVD-speech is a long, slow session of lovemaking, complete with very satisfying climax. "
[have you noticed that pasting text has its own little pleasure nowadays?] I cannot but agree.
Vixens, I’ve said that the theater audience is in a remarkably intimate position, and, generally, quite pleased with the effects.
Now notice that there is a large audience represented on screen,, miscellaneous Brits, police, government etc, which is all apparently tone deaf and completely unresponsive to the delectable qualities we so deeply appreciate.
I think I know why; no audience could quite bear to be so sweetly ambushed in public, so entrancingly swept away, without some cover. If everyone else in view were obviously swooning and shivering, would not the moviegoer feel a discomfort? But this is not the whole explanation. What do you all think?
If they had, we might have heard:
BTN news, about a week after the DVD speech:
“Britain is facing a crisis of daydreaming. Most of the women, and an alarming number of the men, are woolgathering, staring off into space, and wearing foolish smiles. It is impossible to get their attention and they seem far less easy to intimidate. This must cease immediately, by order of the Chancellor, who has also been hospitalized briefly with uncontrollable retching and clawing at his ears.”
“Bootleg copies of the speech you heard are strictly contraband, and possession is now a crime. Report any of your neighbors who look ridiculously contented and far too attached to their recorders. A special team of tone deaf agents will visit to collect and destroy any copies.”
“In economic news, there appears to be trouble in the clothing industry. Inventory of black silks and heavy satins is at an all time low, while two of the oldest button makers have declared bankruptcy”
“In society news, Her Majesty has retired to her closet to review the situation frame by frame and asks not to be disturbed.
“Crime:; nineteen young men have been arrested as terrorists after it was found that they were enrolled in an elocution school, but expressed disinterest in developing a variety of accents and want only to learn ‘to talk like that’.”
And a large shipment of butter, eggs, and tampons has disappeared without explanation.”
More? Or perhaps the reflections of the cops?
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