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Cobra - THANK YOU!
Mel - *shrugs* I dunno. I think I had more fun brainstorming with you than I would writing viction myself.
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quote: MelindaKitty wrote:
quote: ButMadNNW wrote:
I aimed to fill in the blank between when V knocked out Dominic at Jordan Tower and when Evey woke in the Shadow Gallery.
And how well you did!
    Coming from you, that's high praise, indeed.
quote: I can’t believe it’s been almost 8 months and I never read this. Shame on me.
Indeed. Especially since yours was one of those "I must have her opinion!" opinions.
quote: *rolls up sleeves, grinning, and gets into the Viction*
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quote: But as he’d hurried to his opening night box, a cry for help shattered the post-curfew silence, a cry a gentleman could not ignore. He would have to be delayed; hopefully not to the point of missing Curtain. He had worked too long for the show to start without him in place.
I do very much like this, and the way you set the stage in theatrical jargon works quite well.
I took my cue from V - he called it a "performance," strikes up the "overture," etc.
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quote: Thinking back on it, though, he knew there was more. V was aware he’d been showing off for the woman he’d just saved. He wasn’t surprised she’d thought him crazy. Not that it mattered; it was unlikely they’d ever see each other again.
*nitpick* Watch the copulatives, love.
In my defense (such as it is), this was almost literally a first draft. *ducks, anticipating tomatoes*
I woke up that morning, and it was written. I just had to put the words on the paper, and IIRC, there was almost no fiddling before I posted it.
quote: what works best is to use as much action and physical movement as possible, thus putting your reader firmly IN the character.
Active vs. passive voice (kind of). Check.
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quote: There are no coincidences, a voice in his mind reminded him.
One of the things I respect about your foray into Viction is that you play by the rules.
Well, yeah. It's not my world. ....... But how exactly does your comment relate to what you quoted?
quote: Too many amateurs try to impose their own wishes and fantasies on a pre-existing world. It BUGS me, and I’m glad you don’t. The liberties you take are entirely appropriate and function well within the expectations of the world.
...
I feel a bit like Christine being complimented by Erik in Kay's Phantom...
quote: In a nutshell: Kudos for not screwing up a really cool world, and only enhancing it with your contribution.
.... ....
She liked it! Melinda liked it!
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quote: Before he could bother to identify a new feeling stirring within, his decision had been made.
I also love that you hint at the sexual tension and attraction without making him a simpering moon-calf, utterly smitten with her charms.
Well, a simpering moon-calf isn't what I fell for when I first met V, so why in the world would I belittle him like that? ... Besides, I wasn't going to delve any deeper there than what I saw in what the filmmakers gave us. That's not my place, IMO.
I mean, geez! It takes them two hours of our time and a year of their own to simply say "I love you." - At the point when my little viction takes place, they've known each other less than 24 hours and each saved the other. Only so much can realistically happen in that time.
Also, for all we know, V has been a complete (social) hermit over the past 20 years. I figured his emotions weren't "developed" enough that he'd instantly realize he was attracted to her (or something like that - I'm having trouble saying what I mean).
Which also goes back to my use of theatrical language - working off the assumption that he wasn't lying to Delia and had lost at least some of his memory, and adding that to the 20-year obsession/living underground, I was banking that his thought processes and ways of interacting with the world/people were shaped by the books and movies he so loved.
quote: It FEELS like they just met and he’s still feeling the relationship out, which is exactly what should be happening at this point.
Yup! I know I've done my job when the reader gets what I intended them to get. ... Besides, like I said - 24 hours. 24 hours at the end of a 20-year obsession. He's been "completely single-minded" - having him fall head-over-heels for Evey in less than 24 hours would be ridiculous.
quote: *polishes ButMad’s halo*
*accepts the newly glowing hoop*
*modestly places it over her head*
     
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quote: He quickly pressed the call button for the lift, then froze as her soft, warm breath found the crack between the high collar of V’s tunic and the bottom edge of the mask.
Ooooooooooooooooooh! Shmexy! It’s the little things like this that build the tension. You get an extra gold star for being able to build sexual tension when one of the people involved is UNCONSCIOUS.
I was particularly proud of that little bit. Glad you enjoyed.
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quote: There was something about feeling the weight of her in his arms… But here was the lift.
And once again, you keep him from mooning or swooning. Good on you!
At that point, mooning & swooning = delay & capture. Gotta keep movin'.
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quote: He input the security code he’d hacked out of Dascombe’s personal computer files and shouldered open the hidden steel door.
And V’s casual competence paired with his in-depth knowledge of the inner workings of almost everything make HIM sexy.
*nodnodnodnodnodnod*
quote: he knows people better than they know themselves.
Sayeth Finch.
quote: THAT, not the knives and the “fancy karate gimmicks” or super speed, is his super-power. He knows who to manipulate and where to gamble to realize his plans, and has the will to make it happen. He's a catalyst for positive change and the puppet master we all WISH were loose in the world.
*nods* That's also part of what attracted me to Methos - Peter Wingfield is a gorgeous man (IMO), but Methos is incredibly sexy, not least of all because he IS a puppetmaster. In scenes where he has no lines, he's still making noise, because you can hear the gears turning.
There's a reason he's still alive after 5,000 years.
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quote: V paused briefly to adjust his cloak so that it draped over Evey’s unconscious form.
*swoons at the casual chivalry*
*offers fainting couch and congratulates self on a job well done*
quote: I love that you don’t smack this hard, just let it be what it is;
Overselling is annoying. Remember that "gospelly guy" at the TSO concert?
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quote: Now what?
Love THIS too! You don’t take yourself too seriously, or rely on excessive drama to make your plot turn. That’s the mark of a really good writer; lack of Control Freak Syndrome. You let your characters be who they are.
*is honored and flabbergasted*
*can't think of anything to say*
*just grins*
   
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quote: Besides, the Sheriff was waiting at the forest’s edge to snatch away this Maid Marian.
Again, you take the metaphor and run with it. KUDOS!
See above re: V relating to the world/people.
I also saw that as an indicator of how close V may be to the edge of madness - reality and fiction blurring.
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quote: Automatically, his hands lifted to remove the Guy Fawkes mask, but stopped in the midst of loosening it as he remembered he was no longer alone. He had no idea how long Evey would remain unconscious, and did not want to be caught unaware and unmasked.
This works VERY well too. Ruminating can be the death of a good plot, but with yours I always have a keen sense of the gears turning: forward motion. And THAT is why it works.
I'm going to be permanently red by the time you're done with me.
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quote: V stood, straightened his tunic, and stepped into place in the main room, a respectful distance from his confused guest…
Technically a “tunic” is a sleeveless or short-sleeved vest. What V wears is a “doublet”.
Mea culpa. I went back and fixed that.
quote: BUT!!!!
This is an absolutely perfect ending.
WELL DONE, BUTMAD!!!!!
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*parades ButMad around on her shoulders*
I hope you’re pleased with this offering; you should be.
*is tickled every shade of pink*
*blushes like only the pale-skinned can*
*runs out of words*
You made my day when I first read this, and because I re-read it just now, this day is made, also.
SQUOOBLE!!!
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Re: The Descent (a shortish "fill-in")
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(having taken careful innuendo lessons from Leda, I cannot resist:)
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Butmad, I read this last night and was very, very impressed at how you were able to portray the essence of V so magnificently. I have often wished for more information on that scene from the movie. Now I feel like I have received a wonderful backstory to that. IMO you captured V's mind and "elan" just perfectly! When will you be writing more?
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quote: Vivified wrote:
Butmad, I read this last night and was very, very impressed at how you were able to portray the essence of V so magnificently.
   
  THANK YOU!  
quote: I have often wished for more information on that scene from the movie. Now I feel like I have received a wonderful backstory to that.
I honestly couldn't ask for better praise, Viv!
quote: IMO you captured V's mind and "elan" just perfectly! When will you be writing more?
I have no plans to write more, at least not in the Veniversum. But then, I had no plans to write this! It just happened. Who knows when inspiration might strike?
Thank you SO much for your kind words! I'm already a giggling mess (internally - I am at the office) over my latest video project (waiting to hear back from my partner in crime; if she gives it a pass, it'll get posted), but you brought the largest to my face! My day is made, despite the snow.

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Finally gets back to this.
quote: ButMadNNW wrote:
quote: MelindaKitty wrote:
quote: Thinking back on it, though, he knew there was more. V was aware he’d been showing off for the woman he’d just saved. He wasn’t surprised she’d thought him crazy. Not that it mattered; it was unlikely they’d ever see each other again.
*nitpick* Watch the copulatives, love.
In my defense (such as it is), this was almost literally a first draft. *ducks, anticipating tomatoes*
No tomatoes, just a nitpick. And you should take it as a compliment that I like it enough to pick you.
quote: I woke up that morning, and it was written. I just had to put the words on the paper, and IIRC, there was almost no fiddling before I posted it.
*nods* Those are the best ones. M'self, I write best when the words come without prodding. I feel more like a combination director/stenographer than a writer. I just give suggestions for how I want the scene to go, unleash the characters, and take furious notes on the results. The best stuff makes me laugh and cry as if I were reading someone else's words and not my own. It's a direct communication with my Jungian Shadow and an experience I adore.
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quote: There are no coincidences, a voice in his mind reminded him.
One of the things I respect about your foray into Viction is that you play by the rules.
Well, yeah. It's not my world. ....... But how exactly does your comment relate to what you quoted?
One of V's most memorable sentiments are words to the effect that there were no such thing as coincidences, merely the illusion of such. That you include this here is a specific example of an overall success.
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quote: Too many amateurs try to impose their own wishes and fantasies on a pre-existing world. It BUGS me, and I’m glad you don’t. The liberties you take are entirely appropriate and function well within the expectations of the world.
I feel a bit like Christine being complimented by Erik in Kay's Phantom... 
*is tickled at the reference* I assume that's a good thing.
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She liked it! Melinda liked it! 
Quite a lot!
quote: I mean, geez! It takes them two hours of our time and a year of their own to simply say "I love you." - At the point when my little viction takes place, they've known each other less than 24 hours and each saved the other. Only so much can realistically happen in that time.
*nodnodnodnodnod* EXACTLY! And this is why this makes me happy - you never lose sight of WHEN and not just WHERE we are.
quote: Also, for all we know, V has been a complete (social) hermit over the past 20 years. I figured his emotions weren't "developed" enough that he'd instantly realize he was attracted to her (or something like that - I'm having trouble saying what I mean).
Exactly. He's stunted. It's the emotional equivalent of having one arm bound up to the point where it's shrunken with lack of use. Evey's appearance would be the equivalent of unwrapping that arm and flexing it: painful, confusing, difficult, and a little scary. To V's credit, he is able to pursue in a limited fashion even knowing he's in the 11th hour of his life.
quote: Which also goes back to my use of theatrical language - working off the assumption that he wasn't lying to Delia and had lost at least some of his memory, and adding that to the 20-year obsession/living underground, I was banking that his thought processes and ways of interacting with the world/people were shaped by the books and movies he so loved.
*nods* I agree, which is also why I liked this.
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quote: he knows people better than they know themselves.
Sayeth Finch. 
You got it, Chief.
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quote: I love that you don’t smack this hard, just let it be what it is;
Overselling is annoying. Remember that "gospelly guy" at the TSO concert?
*rolls eyes until she hurts self*
Unfortunately, YES, I remember.
quote: *is honored and flabbergasted*
*can't think of anything to say*
*just grins*
    
*in light of Vivified's well-deserved appreciation, offers ButMad another polishing-cloth for her literary halo*
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quote: Besides, the Sheriff was waiting at the forest’s edge to snatch away this Maid Marian.
Again, you take the metaphor and run with it. KUDOS!
I also saw that as an indicator of how close V may be to the edge of madness - reality and fiction blurring.
*nodnodnodnodnod* Right. The inside of V's head would likely play out like one of the psychedelic scenes of MOULIN ROUGE.
quote: *is tickled every shade of pink*
*blushes like only the pale-skinned can*
*runs out of words*
You made my day when I first read this, and because I re-read it just now, this day is made, also.
SQUOOBLE!!!
You're very very welcome.
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Finally gets back to this.
*nudges* Hey, what about the vid I sent early this morning? Can you spare 35 sec. to end my suspense? ..... Check that. I got your email! Will post the vid in a bit. THANKS!
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quote: In my defense (such as it is), this was almost literally a first draft. *ducks, anticipating tomatoes*
No tomatoes, just a nitpick.
Actually, I was anticipating tomatoes from people who might be jealous that such a passage was a first draft.
quote: And you should take it as a compliment that I like it enough to pick you. 
*fights innuendo instincts learned from Leda*
quote: *nods* Those are the best ones. M'self, I write best when the words come without prodding. I feel more like a combination director/stenographer than a writer.
Abso-bloody-lutely! That's one of the reasons I so loved writing "Horseman in Debt" so many years ago - there were times that I swore I had nothing to do with what was going on. I felt like I was simply typing the words that Methos was whispering in my ear.
  *pauses to savor that image*  
And though I can now identify the problems that story has (I've always been my own worst critic, but now I can usually quantify where and how something's gone wrong; back then, it was just a general unhappiness with what I'd written), if I think back on it, probably the passages that I can read now without flinching are the ones where I was merely the stenographer.
quote: The best stuff makes me laugh and cry as if I were reading someone else's words and not my own.
*knows that feeling*
*delights, as always, in finally having another writer who can relate*
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quote: I feel a bit like Christine being complimented by Erik in Kay's Phantom... 
*is tickled at the reference* I assume that's a good thing. 
It is. Basically, even Erik's faintest praise was something that made Christine feel overwhelmed - blushing, head dropping, etc. Remind me sometime, I'll see if I can find the passage to show you.
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quote: I mean, geez! It takes them two hours of our time and a year of their own to simply say "I love you." - At the point when my little viction takes place, they've known each other less than 24 hours and each saved the other. Only so much can realistically happen in that time.
*nodnodnodnodnod* EXACTLY! And this is why this makes me happy - you never lose sight of WHEN and not just WHERE we are.
*indulges in a preen*
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quote: Overselling is annoying. Remember that "gospelly guy" at the TSO concert?
*rolls eyes until she hurts self*
Unfortunately, YES, I remember.
*giggles*
Sorry. The guy (and girl) who sang those songs last year were much more enjoyable - even though she, too, oversold one of the songs, IMO.
quote: *in light of Vivified's well-deserved appreciation, offers ButMad another polishing-cloth for her literary halo*
*indulges in another preen*
*behaves self*
*goes to watch her 35 sec. vid again*
*laughs herself silly* I should not find that so amusing... 
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Well that made my day!
Everything I would have commented on has already been said, but I will add my own compliments!
Brilliant, what I've been waiting for! I already knew about your talent but WOW! Beautifully descriptive and a good three or four moments that sent actual shivers down my spine!
Do you do requests? There are so many other parts of the film that warrant this sort of filler. I know you're busy with your book an' all, but we NEED you to write more V fiction! I've always wished that I could write in such a way so that I could satisfy my obsession for the parts of the film that could take more explanation, now I don't need to, I'm just gonna keep bullying you until you write more!
*pokepokepoke* write more NOW!
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quote: freedom4ever wrote:
Well that made my day!
Everything I would have commented on has already been said, but I will add my own compliments!
Brilliant, what I've been waiting for! I already knew about your talent but WOW! Beautifully descriptive and a good three or four moments that sent actual shivers down my spine!
Ta, luv. I'm really glad you enjoyed! Thanks for making me smile.
quote: Do you do requests?
What do you have in mind?
quote: *pokepokepoke* write more NOW!
Oi! Quit pokin' me!
The only problem is, I'm rather far removed from the Veniversum these days. That said, post your request(s) and maybe you'll jog something (in me or someone else... ooh, actually, that gives me an idea for a thread). Could be useful exercises to flex my muscles for Corran.
Speaking of.... *trots off to write the scene that was bugging me on the way home*
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