Page: 1 2 3
ulien
Vassal
Global user
Registered: 04-2006
Posts: 278
Karma: 3 (+3/-0)
|
|
Reply | Quote
|
|
Re: What would you have liked included/left out from the GN/Novelisation etc?
I didn`t mind V`s death in GN that much. Sure, it wasn`t that triumphant, there was no wonderful fight, it was somehow so out of place for him to die like that. But... I simply guess it was more realistic. We always want the main hero to either survive or have a wonderful death. V in GN dies and actually stops no one, ge started this revolution, he makes people fight, but he won`t be the one winning and ending everything- they will do it - that`s why the ending were the Leader is shot on the street by a wife of a party member gives me more hope - even if V will be dead , those peole will be able to fight for freedom and for themselves - he tought them how to do it . Not to mention that EV will take his place. In the movie V did everything. He own for those people. He sarcrifed himself for them. But if anything goes wrong, willl they be able to fight without him? I`m not really sure. And the movie doesn`t suggest Evey will continue his work, more likely she will move on...
And the other thing is - I somehow prefer when the hero has quiter, less specular, even pointless death - because V`s death in GN is pointless. But ... It`s somehow more realistic just because of it...
---
Sing what you can`t say
Forget what you can`t play
Never sigh for a better world
It`s already composed played and told
I`m sorry
And you... I wish I didn`t feel for you anymore
|
|
6/2/2006, 12:56 pm
|
Send Email to ulien
Send PM to ulien
|
LadyVendetta
The FIRST LadyV
Global user
Registered: 03-2006
Location: Hiding Under V's Piano
Posts: 1372
Karma: 28 (+29/-1)
|
|
Reply | Quote
|
|
Re: What would you have liked included/left out from the GN/Novelisation etc?
quote:
alexandra123 wrote:
Do you mean you didn't like their romantic relationship in the movie? Because in the GN he says he loves her, yes, and she even kisses him too after being released from her prision but i don't think either actions are derived from the romantic kind of love that we see in the movie, it's more like brotherly love, or teacher-apprentice love or something... didn't you think?
"I fell in love with you" is so much more applied to a lover, where as "i love you" can be said to practically anyone.
I said this because of something a wise professor told me that I completely agree with as far as death scenes in literature....nothing is more pathetic that saying you love someone only at the point when you're dying because you're not conquering your fears, you don't face the fear of rejection, and you never have to see the result of being brave enough to say it while alive.
In the GN, V says he loves Evey---once when Evey found out he tortured her and also while V was dying. So in the GN, V faced his own fear by saying he 'loved' Evey (I really don't care what type of love it was...fatherly, as a lover, platonic, etc.) I should have made my statement clearer that I wished V said he loved her earlier, especially in the scene with Evey when she found out V was the one who tortured her. This way, not only was Evey conquering her fears, V was conquering another fear as well...Evey's rejection. It would have been a nice parallel between the characters: Evey vs. Being Afraid All the Time; V vs. Evey's Rejection. Then, the "I fell in love with you" at the end would have been more satisfactory for me because V would have conquered his fear of Evey's rejection before death.
I'm not sure this makes it clearer, and I'm not sure that anyone will agree with me on this statement, but I'm sticking to it.  I guess that's the curse of the MA in English lit. 
--- 
"I've never played hopscotch with nuns!"--Eddie Izzard
"You don't accidentally become an ass. It takes a bit of work."--Ozzy Ozbourne |
|
6/2/2006, 5:18 pm
|
Send Email to LadyVendetta
Send PM to LadyVendetta
|
alexandra123
Vassal
Global user
Registered: 04-2006
Location: Portugal
Posts: 101
Karma: 8 (+8/-0)
|
|
Reply | Quote
|
|
Re: What would you have liked included/left out from the GN/Novelisation etc?
quote:
because you're not conquering your fears, you don't face the fear of rejection, and you never have to see the result of being brave enough to say it while alive
Hmmm, although it makes (imo) a lovely death scene (and so i disagree with you when you say "nothing is more pathetic that saying you love someone only at the point when you're dying"), i have to agree with your teacher!
quote:
I really don't care what type of love it was...fatherly, as a lover, platonic, etc.
Well.. i think this is what makes all the difference! What fear conquering is there in saying "i love you" to a friend?? It's your friend!
quote:
I wished V said he loved her earlier, especially in the scene with Evey when she found out V was the one who tortured her
Like in the GN? Heck, no!!!! Not there! A guy tortures you and then when you're finding that out he says "it was because i love you" ?????? There would be the rejection risk present, oh yes, but it would most definetly be a rejection!!!
Naaaaa
quote:
and I'm not sure that anyone will agree with me on this statement, but I'm sticking to it.
Hey, good for you  and i don't mean this in any bad way really! That's what makes this forum so great, everybody having all this different opinions and sharing them! 
---
Live and let live
|
|
6/5/2006, 3:07 pm
|
Send Email to alexandra123
Send PM to alexandra123
|
ButMadNNW
Chief Inspector
Global user
Registered: 03-2006
Location: Limbo
Posts: 11576
Karma: 171 (+172/-1)
|
|
Reply | Quote
|
|
Re: What would you have liked included/left out from the GN/Novelisation etc?
quote:
alexandra123 wrote:
quote:
I really don't care what type of love it was...fatherly, as a lover, platonic, etc.
Well.. i think this is what makes all the difference! What fear conquering is there in saying "i love you" to a friend?? It's your friend!
Well..... anyone can reject anyone else...
|
|
6/5/2006, 3:10 pm
|
Send Email to ButMadNNW
Yahoo
|
alexandra123
Vassal
Global user
Registered: 04-2006
Location: Portugal
Posts: 101
Karma: 8 (+8/-0)
|
|
Reply | Quote
|
|
Re: What would you have liked included/left out from the GN/Novelisation etc?
ButMad, of course, but you know what i meant! Facing rejection from a friend is different from a lover! The one being more bearable or less depends on the circumstances. Maybe your lover was a jerk and you're better off without him/her, maybe it was your best friend and you're trying to make piece with him/her after a fight and they reject you, not forgiving you. Depends on the situation.
Anyway, the point here in this very particular situation is that i believe that in the GN V didn't mean it as a lover, he meant it a mentor, teacher, friend. And that changes everything in terms of fear for rejection. Someone like V, who knows that he's doing what he's doing for the sake of the coutry has no doubts!
There's no fear of rejection for his love, because that fear is usually associated with romantic love. Friendship love doesn't necessarily expect the other person's love back, so there's no fear there. She may not understand him, and hate him when she comes out of captivity, but he still loves her anyway, even if she doesn't love him back, because he knows he did the best for her. How many times do our parents do things we hate but they still do them, believing it's for our own good, even if we may hate them at first? They have no fear for rejection, it's a whole different situation, fear doesn't even really come into the equation.
Should he have said it sooner? Ok, i agree with LadyV, i would have loved to see them exchaging love vows. But when? Not when she came out of captivity, no. I believe he was really frightned there, and the proof is the broken mirror (a scene like this would have never happened on the GN). He wouldn't have said it then, first of all, there were more important things to say then, to make her understand, and then rejection was garantied there at that moment, it was really pointless! (romantic) Love was not the issue there.
You see, in the GN when she kisses him, he doesn't draw back, he's not afraid to fall in love with her, afraid of his feelings for her, afraid of getting his hopes up or something like that. He just takes what she offers. Without any second thoughts as to her intent.
At Valerie's shrine?... That doesn't bother me at all! But maybe then she wouldn't have left and they would make mad passionate love right then and there now *that* really wouldn't bother me!  i'm sorry, just a little joke! Now seriously, at valerie's shrine could be a good idea, but then how could she leave? In a desperate romantic scene like "i love you but i'm leaving you"?...
When they danced?...
Maybe... but he was nervous, it was his big night, he didn't want (he couldn't really) to get distracted (the kiss was a momentary weakness, she caught him off guard and he couldn't get away, he was entranced). And then in the end, it was finally over, he could finally tell her...
I believe that when it comes to their romantic love for each other, there's no possible comparisson to the GN, because it simply didn't happen there! Not even on her part i think... when she asks him why he hasn't made a move on her, i think it's only out of sheer curiosity, because she lives in a world of "pervert" men who'll hit on anyhting walking around with a skirt. Also because she suspects him to be her father. And after her torture, i don't think there's anything to prove their romantic interest in each other...
---
Live and let live
|
|
6/6/2006, 10:00 am
|
Send Email to alexandra123
Send PM to alexandra123
|
Kash Pigeon
Vassal
Global user
Registered: 04-2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 117
Karma: 4 (+4/-0)
|
|
Reply | Quote
|
|
Re: What would you have liked included/left out from the GN/Novelisation etc?
There's one part in the novelization I would have liked to see. Because I'm a hopeless romantic, I think that the more romantic tension there is, the better! In the movie, after they have finished watching The Count of Monte Cristo and Evey realizes that it was V who killed Prothero, she asks him if he'll kill more people. V answers yes (love the way he says that, by the way) and that's the end of the scene.
In the novelization, Evey goes on and asks him another question. She asks him if he is going to kill her, to which he promptly answers "Of course not, Evey" and goes toward her as if he wanted to comfort her. *sigh* I would have loved to see that. Alas...
I also agree about the Madam Justice scene. In my mind, it shows V to be a little unstable, and I like it! It's just a witty and entertaining scene - wierd, but fun nonetheless. So yes, I wanted to see this in the movie.
I must confess something. When I first read the Madam Justice scene, a silly something popped into my head and refuses to come out, and everytime I read this scene I think of this. I don't know how many of you are fans of The Simpsons, but whenever Homer Simpson impersonates a woman, his voice goes extremely high and shrill and it sounds hilarious. Well, keeping that in mind, this is how I imagine V's "conversation" sounded like:
Normal voice: "Madame Justice... this is V. V... this is Madame Justice. Hello Madame Justice."
V, a la Homer Simpson high voice: "Good eeeevening, V."
Oh my, I kill myself. But...umm... *ahem*... well, I did say it was silly.
Kash
Last edited by Kash Pigeon, 7/9/2006, 7:00 pm
|
|
7/9/2006, 6:55 pm
|
Send Email to Kash Pigeon
Send PM to Kash Pigeon
|
jazzfunktion
VFAN
Global user
Registered: 07-2006
Posts: 14
Karma: 1 (+1/-0)
|
|
Reply | Quote
|
|
Re: What would you have liked included/left out from the GN/Novelisation etc?
quote:
LadyVendetta wrote:
I said this because of something a wise professor told me that I completely agree with as far as death scenes in literature....nothing is more pathetic that saying you love someone only at the point when you're dying because you're not conquering your fears, you don't face the fear of rejection, and you never have to see the result of being brave enough to say it while alive.
In the GN, V says he loves Evey---once when Evey found out he tortured her and also while V was dying. So in the GN, V faced his own fear by saying he 'loved' Evey (I really don't care what type of love it was...fatherly, as a lover, platonic, etc.) I should have made my statement clearer that I wished V said he loved her earlier, especially in the scene with Evey when she found out V was the one who tortured her. This way, not only was Evey conquering her fears, V was conquering another fear as well...Evey's rejection. It would have been a nice parallel between the characters: Evey vs. Being Afraid All the Time; V vs. Evey's Rejection. Then, the "I fell in love with you" at the end would have been more satisfactory for me because V would have conquered his fear of Evey's rejection before death.
Well for me it was quite clear that V got rejected by Evey when she almost kissed him and left the Shadow Gallery in the shrine-scene. Then he broke the mirror and cried in despair and felt rejected. Yep.
-----------
"Artists use lies to tell the truth while politicians use them to cover the truth up"
|
|
7/24/2006, 6:26 am
|
Send Email to jazzfunktion
Send PM to jazzfunktion
|
NickyTea
VFAN
Global user
Registered: 05-2006
Posts: 61
Karma: 2 (+2/-0)
|
|
Reply | Quote
|
|
Re: What would you have liked included/left out from the GN/Novelisation etc?
I really dont look at their relationship is a rejection/romance/etc, theirs is a nondescript love that defies convention, as far as I'm concerned.
I think the more imporatant sentence in the closing dialog is this "...like I had no longer thought possible."
This is representative of evey's importance: she gave him back that one inch of his humanity that was left.
He thought it was gone, stolen from him.
Through vallerie, he knew it existed.
Through evey, he got it back.
Their love is more akin to the love depicted in the film "Lost in Translation."
Romantic? Yes, but not a romance.
Fatherly? Yes, but not incestuous.
Its original, and all the more special.
Well, thats just how I see it :)
|
|
7/25/2006, 4:06 pm
|
Send Email to NickyTea
Send PM to NickyTea
|
Valkyrie2
V's Pyrotechnician
Global user
Registered: 06-2006
Posts: 1216
Karma: 16 (+16/-0)
|
|
Reply | Quote
|
|
Re: What would you have liked included/left out from the GN/Novelisation etc?
Evey is the ONLY person in V's life.
Therefore his love for her encompasses all of the various types of love possible.
As for what was in the GN that didn't go into the movie...
With all due respect to Alan Moore and fans of his work, (and somebody'll probably skewer me for this, but I'm sticking to my knives) this is possibly the one time when I think the film version exceeded the original text. It was tighter, it was more dramatic, it made more sense relative to the source of the vendetta and the way Norsefire came to power, and it made the emotional connection between V and Evey more powerful. It also made V's death more powerful. Frankly, Moore's version was a rather disappointing denoument, rather than the crescendo that the title character's death should have been, and which was depicted in the film.
--- Courage is doing what you’re afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you’re scared.
- Cpt Rickenbacker
 |
|
7/25/2006, 6:23 pm
|
Send Email to Valkyrie2
Send PM to Valkyrie2
|
stephw651
VFAN
Global user
Registered: 06-2006
Posts: 29
Karma: 0 (+0/-0)
|
|
Reply | Quote
|
|
Re: What would you have liked included/left out from the GN/Novelisation etc?
quote:
Kash Pigeon wrote:
There's one part in the novelization I would have liked to see. Because I'm a hopeless romantic, I think that the more romantic tension there is, the better! In the movie, after they have finished watching The Count of Monte Cristo and Evey realizes that it was V who killed Prothero, she asks him if he'll kill more people. V answers yes (love the way he says that, by the way) and that's the end of the scene.
In the novelization, Evey goes on and asks him another question. She asks him if he is going to kill her, to which he promptly answers "Of course not, Evey" and goes toward her as if he wanted to comfort her. *sigh* I would have loved to see that. Alas...
I also agree about the Madam Justice scene. In my mind, it shows V to be a little unstable, and I like it! It's just a witty and entertaining scene - wierd, but fun nonetheless. So yes, I wanted to see this in the movie.
I must confess something. When I first read the Madam Justice scene, a silly something popped into my head and refuses to come out, and everytime I read this scene I think of this. I don't know how many of you are fans of The Simpsons, but whenever Homer Simpson impersonates a woman, his voice goes extremely high and shrill and it sounds hilarious. Well, keeping that in mind, this is how I imagine V's "conversation" sounded like:
Normal voice: "Madame Justice... this is V. V... this is Madame Justice. Hello Madame Justice."
V, a la Homer Simpson high voice: "Good eeeevening, V."
Oh my, I kill myself. But...umm... *ahem*... well, I did say it was silly.
Kash
 Now I'm going to hear that silly Homer voice in my head every time!
Valkyrie, I totally agree with you. Of course I may be a bit biased having read the GN after seeing the film but I agree that the film is far better.
|
|
7/25/2006, 8:35 pm
|
Send Email to stephw651
Send PM to stephw651
|
Add a reply
Page: 1 2 3
Powered by AkBBS 0.9.5b - Link to us
- Blogs
- Hall of Honour
- Chat
Click here to get your own free message board
|
You are not logged in (login)
Board's time is: 11/25/2009, 8:49 am
|
|
|
