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I officially dislike Google.
For the sake of the thread name I would've liked to say 'hate Google' but I try not to waste time hating anything or anyone, so 'dislike' it is.
So in the spirit of debate and offering an alternative perspective on the search giant, that I too used to be a great fan of, I present this link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4645596.stm
For yonks Google refused to be censored by the Chinese government, believing as I do that the internet is access for anyone to investigate or research what they choose. It seems as though they are just as willing as every other corporate giant to sell their souls for the sake of an extra buck or ten million. 
Disappointed Google. Very disappointed. This is a direct contradiction to your mission statement.
When they are eating out of the hands of the Chinese government like the rest of us in the not too distant future, I hope they remember how they contributed to it's fascist government. 
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Re: I officially dislike Google.
I dislike censorship of any kind. But Google has a point that
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"While removing search results is inconsistent with Google's mission, providing no information (or a heavily degraded user experience that amounts to no information) is more inconsistent with our mission," a statement said.
And at least they're making an attempt to protect their Chinese users:
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Its e-mail, chat room and blogging services will not be available because of concerns the government could demand users' personal information.
Overall, I seriously doubt that Google providing limited service to China is going to lead to China ruling the world. Google is awesome, but they can't single-handedly affect global politics. That's up to the politicians. (And anyway, China's been around for how long? And their form of government has made how much progress at taking over the world?)
Now, if I heard that Google was using Chinese slave labor to do business, that might be different...
But in any case, frankly, the result of a current, ongoing attempt to make discrimination constitutional law in the state in which I currently live is a bigger concern to me than Google "compromising" with the Chinese government two years ago. And I still applaud Google (and Apple and Levi's) for having the balls to make a public stand against that effort to discriminate.
In other news: *pounces F4E and squoobles her*
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Re: I officially dislike Google.
Just typed my response and runboard ate it.  I'll try again.
*kicks runboard*
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*kicks runboard too*
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Re: I officially dislike Google.
Yay! debate. Thanks for indulging me O Mad one! 
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Overall, I seriously doubt that Google providing limited service to China is going to lead to China ruling the world. Google is awesome, but they can't single-handedly affect global politics. That's up to the politicians
Lol! No me either! I think it's happening anyway.
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(And anyway, China's been around for how long? And their form of government has made how much progress at taking over the world?)
Watch this space.  The western world is vulnerable right now. They are the new world super power. The US is sinking and there's room for them to move in. Global domination is on their cards and it frightens the crap outta me.
As I mentioned, I too was a fan of Google. They seem to have more morals than most and I don't discount the good that they do. My disappointment comes from the fact that they resisted China for so long, then crumbled under pressure.
The Chinese government do not encourage individuality, their people are worker ants, part of a colony. They execute their own for not having a valid vat receipt, they parade executionee's before a stadium full of spectators. Google, however indirectly are stopping the Chinese people learning certain, important truths and in turn are sending out the message that this sort of censorship is somehow 'ok'. It is my belief that their barbaric government should be brought down, not aided. The western world seem ok with the way they behave, it'd probably be different if they had huge oil reserves.
All they had to do was stay out of China, were they not earning enough? Ok, scratch what I said, maybe Google will become the new world order.
Anyhoo, we represent opposing sides of the debate. Supporter and protester, it makes for interesting discussion. 
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In other news: *pounces F4E and squoobles her*
Are you here yet?!  
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Re: I officially dislike Google.
(Official caveat: I went link-happy in this post.  )
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Yay! debate. Thanks for indulging me O Mad one!
No prob. I've been in a high state of political arousal for weeks as it is, bashing Prop 8 and supporting Obama and stuff. I mean, seriously. You should see my LiveJournal, or my Facebook. I'm not usually like this! I usually avoid the news and papers and stuff (and political ranting), because I just can't do it. It terrifies and exhausts me.
I can't wait for next Tuesday to be over.
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Watch this space. The western world is vulnerable right now. They are the new world super power. The US is sinking
Don't remind me. Can I call him "President Obama" yet? (Of course, then that opens up a whole new fear: That we'll have another JFK.) And I can has emigration nao plz? kthxbai.
The one good thing of the global economy mess? My UK holiday will be cheaper than I planned!  The exchange rate keeps dropping!
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and there's room for them to move in. Global domination is on their cards and it frightens the crap outta me.
Again, this is why I don't watch the news. It's hard enough trying to survive my life without turning on the TV and having a financial analyst say, "Whatever happens, keep your job." (This actually happened the other night whilst I was at my parents'.) Oh, thanx! NOW you tell me!  (But then, even my mum wondered that night how long I would have survived had I stayed at that job.)
Let alone hearing the media fearmongers trumping up the latest global crisis... (to get this meander back in the direction of the topic)
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As I mentioned, I too was a fan of Google. They seem to have more morals than most and I don't discount the good that they do. My disappointment comes from the fact that they resisted China for so long, then crumbled under pressure.
*nods* Understandable.
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The western world seem ok with the way they behave,
I don't know about that. Remember all the protests before and during the recent Olympics?
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it'd probably be different if they had huge oil reserves.
Sadly, I agree with you here.
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Ok, scratch what I said, maybe Google will become the new world order.
*giggles* Well, it's already a religion. But you never know - by providing even limited service to China, maybe they can subtly introduce an information revolution. 
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Anyhoo, we represent opposing sides of the debate. Supporter and protester, it makes for interesting discussion.
Yup. And it's nice to be able to disagree with someone without being told I'm going to burn in hell or that my mother had no business being a pastor.
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Are you here yet?!
*channels Jafar* "Patience, Iago."
I'll be there very very soon. Broke and underprepared for the trip, but I'll be there! Speaking of, I should probably go sleep so I can get up tomorrow and do the work I should've been doing the past few hours!
Oh, and on a Prop 8 note: the Admiral came up with an idea, and I helped a bit. We've sent it to Da Kitty for final edits/blessing, so I'll let y'all know when it's up. Hint: click here
*clicks "Submit reply"* Aw, ****e. Backup interruptus. I just missed my window of opportunity. *cools heels for "20 minutes"*
ETA: Just now, when I came back to finally post this, I thought of something (blame it on weird 4am thoughts):
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For the sake of the thread name I would've liked to say 'hate Google' but I try not to waste time hating anything or anyone, so 'dislike' it is.
Because I said I love Google and you're going for the opposite, right? Actually, IMO, "hate" is not the opposite of "love." "Hate" is still passion and emotional involvement. I think "apathy" would be the opposite. But you can't really say "I officially apathy Google," 'cuz that'd just be weird.
*babbles off to bed*
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Re: I officially dislike Google.
Firstly, *squoobles* for making me giggle. Secondly, randomly, but before I forget, love your avi!
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Can I call him "President Obama" yet?
Soon come.  The shrub is on the way out. Thank everything good and pure.
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My UK holiday will be cheaper than I planned!
That is good news. Personally, I've never been happier to be a non homeowner. 
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Let alone hearing the media fearmongers trumping up the latest global crisis... (to get this meander back in the direction of the topic)
I hope I haven't led you to believe I'm a scaremonger. Believe me, I hate the 'naming everything a crises' culture we have become. The Sars crises, the Bird Flu crises, the petrol crises. Bluergh. Needless to say, some things are serious enough to be taken just so. The current global financial situation is truly worrying for us all. However, life goes on and we all muddle on the best we can in the circumstances.
It's also too easy to forget about things that we should all be aware of. For instance, it should really be the first item on the news everyday that a gazillion children died of AIDS and hunger yesterday, and today, and it'll happen again tomorrow. It's all too easy to forget these truths when we take for granted the convenient lives us westerners have. Especially when that info is censored.  Yes we must hold on to perspective or we'd all crack up, but we should never forget or make light of.
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I don't know about that. Remember all the protests before and during the recent Olympics?
Yeah protests, I guess that's a start but it didn't change anything. They were given a list of targets by various organisations (Amnesty for one) which they agreed to aim towards and in some cases achieve. They promised to take action to lower their carbon emissions, but NOTHING changed. They made noises about it for just long enough for the world to think 'Ah well at least they're trying' and then did bugger all. I personally avoided watching all of this year's Olympics. Holy good gravy, I even hear they had a fake voice to match the cute kid in the opening ceremony?! Bonkers.
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*giggles* Well, it's already a religion.
TCOG is one of the things that Google should be really proud of. Check this out for your amusement,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm
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But you never know - by providing even limited service to China, maybe they can subtly introduce an information revolution.
Now that would make me a VERY happy bunny indeed.
"Heaven's no, you can't steal from the censor, I merely reclaimed them" Ahhh V, 
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I'm going to burn in hell or that my mother had no business being a pastor.
*iz lost for words.* Asshats.
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Because I said I love Google and you're going for the opposite, right?
Actually no, only from the point of view that society expects them to be opposites and I wanted to explain my use of a soggy word like 'dislike'. I'm actually in complete agreement with you here. They are not direct opposites. In the same way that good and evil aren't. I don't even believe in evil as a 'thing'.
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But you can't really say "I officially apathy Google," 'cuz that'd just be weird.
Therein lay my problem. I wanted to start a thread with an alternative view on Google without using the word hate or sounding weird! 
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*babbles off to bed*
Sleep well and thank you for exercising my brain cell. 
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Firstly, *squoobles* for making me giggle.
Glad to do so, as always.
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Secondly, randomly, but before I forget, love your avi!
I loved it, too, but I just found this new one which I love even more! *points*
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Personally, I've never been happier to be a non homeowner.
Yeah, my dad (the financial adviser, so him of all people!) pointed out that it was probably a good thing that I emptied my retirement fund when I did (i.e. just before the economy blew up). If I'd been able to muddle through for a couple more months without that money, then needed it now, I would've gotten bupkus.
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I hope I haven't led you to believe I'm a scaremonger.
No, that comment was aimed directly between the eyes of the media, not at you.
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It's also too easy to forget about things that we should all be aware of. ... Yes we must hold on to perspective or we'd all crack up, but we should never forget or make light of.
I never said forget.
"The foolish neither forgive nor forget.
The naïve forgive and forget.
The wise forgive but do not forget."
But we don't need it rammed down our throat or blown out of proportion, either (and I'm talking about anything, not the kids with AIDS specifically).
Frankly, for the sake of our mental health, we can't have the media ramming it down our throats constantly. Studies have shown that people feel persistent anxiety after just 15 minutes of watching the news. (I'd provide a link, but I can't find it right now.)
I'm also a firm believer that the US needs to stop sticking its collective nose into everyone else's business until we fix our own damn problems.
Yes, okay, there are (for example) starving, homeless, AIDS kids in Africa. But we have them here, too.
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Yeah protests, I guess that's a start but it didn't change anything.
*wonders if the Prime Directive applies here*
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I personally avoided watching all of this year's Olympics.
So did I. But that was because sports are stupid and boring and I've always hated the Olympics for preempting all the shows I actually want to watch, not because of any political reasons.
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Check this out for your amusement,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm
 Thanks. You gave me something (else) to blog about. (Calling Flare - I quote Jon Stewart! ) And I love the bus sign!!
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"Heaven's no, you can't steal from the censor, I merely reclaimed them" Ahhh V,
Speaking of V...
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I'm going to burn in hell or that my mother had no business being a pastor.
*iz lost for words.* Asshats.
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I'm actually in complete agreement with you here. They are not direct opposites. In the same way that good and evil aren't. I don't even believe in evil as a 'thing'.
"The opposite of War isn't Peace, it's Creation!" ~ RENT
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Sleep well and thank you for exercising my brain cell.
We'll work on the other one tomorrow.
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Secondly, randomly, but before I forget, love your avi!
I loved it, too, but I just found this new one which I love even more! *points*
I like it too
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I'm also a firm believer that the US needs to stop sticking its collective nose into everyone else's business until we fix our own damn problems.
Doesn't that go for all of us? If we can't take care of ourselves then it's very difficult to take care of others.
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Yeah protests, I guess that's a start but it didn't change anything.
*wonders if the Prime Directive applies here*
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I'm also a firm believer that the US needs to stop sticking its collective nose into everyone else's business until we fix our own damn problems.
Doesn't that go for all of us? If we can't take care of ourselves then it's very difficult to take care of others.
Indeed it does. We must all take care of our own basic human needs before we can be in a position to reach outside of ourselves.
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