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Re: The church of V?
Sultana, you siad:quote:
I don't have a jukebox (unless a CD changer will work...) But I do have three rooms filled with shelves of books.. 
And me too...now that I think about it the study-computer room at our house looks surprisingly like Evey's room except with a desk instead of a bed.
As to religion...I have to tell you, the whole organized religion thing kind of gives me the squickies.
But if we can be like the Unitarians, embrace everyone's personal beliefs, and not start proselitizing, then I'm all for us getting some sort of religion/non-profit/charitable/tax free designation.
If Vadin starts calling himself Pope, or Arch Bishop, or Grand PoohBah, or something like that though then:
Screw you guys, I'm goin' home.
Praise be to V!
May he forgive us our trespasses and deliver us from evil!
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I am delighted by these developments, if for no other reason than I am clearly NOT ALONE in my madness.
I do feel like I have invoked V as I invoke other dieties from pagan and tibetan traditions as aids, for such entities as, haply, shall become the form of my intent!Afterall, V has been my shadow-totem-spirit guide mentor and confidence-booster for 2 months now.
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I have to tell you, the whole organized religion thing kind of gives me the squickies.
I hear you!
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But if we can be like the Unitarians, embrace everyone's personal beliefs, and not start proselitizing, then I'm all for us getting some sort of religion/non-profit/charitable/tax free designation.
hey, lets make that faith-based thing work for us... imagine, sinday school (OMG that was aREAL TYPO  ) or perhaps missionaries, converting the misguided politicos!
boggles the mind, but I am all for subverting the dominant paradigm.
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I do feel like I have invoked V as I invoke other dieties from pagan and tibetan traditions as aids, for such entities as, haply, shall become the form of my intent!Afterall, V has been my shadow-totem-spirit guide mentor and confidence-booster for 2 months now.
you know, i do the very same thing! i'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks this way. x3
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hey, lets make that faith-based thing work for us... imagine, sinday school (OMG that was aREAL TYPO emoticon emoticon emoticon ) or perhaps missionaries, converting the misguided politicos!
boggles the mind, but I am all for subverting the dominant paradigm.
hear hear! xD as long as we don't start doing the whole.. door to door thing... the converting is good, but stalking? not so much xD
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I dunno... No missionaries. You have to find V on your own.
The First Church of V needs to include these few details in its manifesto:
1. No one will ever be coerced, forced, shamed, tortured, harassed, paid, begged or even asked to become a member.
2. Any member who tries to convert a non-believer shall be forced to walk the plank.
Remember this: Though the First Church of V is by definition a CHURCH, it is not a religion. It is a cause.
Religions are among the core reasons that there is a need for The First Church of V in the first place. Therefore, the farther we stay away from their methods and practices, the better.
This does not advocate anarchy. This advocates breaking from the evil grasp that has enslaved our minds for millennia.
V is our symbol.
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No missionaries. You have to find V on your own.
oops!  I was just kidding about missionaries - I loathe that aspect of religion.
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The First Church of V needs to include these few details in its manifesto:
1. No one will ever be coerced, forced, shamed, tortured, harassed, paid, begged or even asked to become a member.
2. Any member who tries to convert a non-believer shall be forced to walk the plank.
Remember this: Though the First Church of V is by definition a CHURCH, it is not a religion. It is a cause.
This is a great distinction, Vadin. (although I might get exhuberant and APPEAR to be trying to convert someone.. "you'll love this movie, really! O, please, just watch it again, and again, and again.... )
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Religions are among the core reasons that there is a need for The First Church of V in the first place. Therefore, the farther we stay away from their methods and practices, the better.
This does not advocate anarchy. This advocates breaking from the evil grasp that has enslaved our minds for millennia.
V is our symbol.
Our world does need this, and I know I do -- a sense of purpose, energy, commitment and devotion to awareness, intelligence and freedom. And for all the wisecracks, I am serious.
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Thank you, Vadin! I already added my first replies to Willow's posts.
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If Alan Moore knew of this forum, and read even a tenth of it's content, I'm sure that he would be flattered and floored at what he helped to create.
If Alan Moore ever finds this forum, I'm fairly certain his brain will implode.  Remember, we all found each other because of love of the movie he so lambastes.
From what I've seen, Alan Moore is on a serious high horse and needs to dismount and rejoin us here on Earth.
For one thing, just because he doesn't eat "eggy in a basket," doesn't mean that no one in England does - *points to Leda for example* - Further, he said that in America, we have "eggs in a basket" - when I've described the dish to people around my office, they've exclaimed, "Oh! You mean..." and I've gotten about 10 different names, none of which is "eggs in a basket" - and that's the people who have heard of it (most haven't).
For another, okay, he hates the movie, we get it - go away now, Alan. If you want nothing to do with the movie, then have nothing to do with it! Stop granting interviews just so you can bash the movie until you find an opening to plug the new GN you're working on.
Third, I hope he's enjoying the royalties that have resulted from people who liked the movie going out to buy the first GN they've ever purchased. *raises hand* ...I still haven't gotten to reading it, but glancing at it, I'm not sure what he's so proud of, really... Yes, it gave us V, but other than that?
I know, I'm ranting, sorry - but that man pushes my buttons. I know he's had a bad history with Hollywood, but I'd personally be thrilled if someone wanted to make a movie from my story - and I'd want to be involved so I could make an attempt at seeing they didn't stray too far from my vision. As it is, his GN is 20 years old and has some outdated ideas (like people surviving even a "limited" nuclear war, which Alan himself admitted he'd gotten wrong). If they hadn't updated it, who would have cared? And the spirit is still there, even if they changed some details.
....... still ranting? Sorry. I'll leave. *slinks out the back*
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If Alan Moore ever finds this forum, I'm fairly certain his brain will implode. Remember, we all found each other because of love of the movie he so lambastes.
You know what? I'd be amazed if he hasn't been here, in secret, already. Do you want to know why I think that? It's like this:
Hate and love (with all due regard to Terry Pratchett for observing this ahead of me) are but two sides of the same coin. This can be witnessed on the V4V IMDb board...why do so many people who profess to despise the film nevertheless spend so much time on a message board discussing it? If they loathed it, they'd stay away. Hate, on the other hand, is an attracting force.
In summary, and given the weight of evidence accumulated from the amount of time he spent whingeing and moaning in the media after he jumped ship, I'd say that Mr. Moore hates this film so much that he's determined to spend quite some time yet focusing on it in painstaking detail...
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From what I've seen, Alan Moore is on a serious high horse and needs to dismount and rejoin us here on Earth.
In addition to this, what he needs to do is stop selling the film rights to his works if he's sooooo convinced that no mere mortal can ever do them justice. Sorry, but while I might have sympathised with his reaction to "From Hell", the fact that he then proceeded to sell the rights to three more of his graphic novels (LoEG, V4V and Watchmen) within just a handful of years has left me far, far less impressed with his plight.
Besides, I notice that in the last three cases, he's waited until he's been paid before starting to *****. Funny, that.
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when I've described the dish to people around my office, they've exclaimed, "Oh! You mean..." and I've gotten about 10 different names, none of which is "eggs in a basket"
When my dad first made it for me, he referred to it as an Ostrich Eye. Out of interest, did that particular one crop up around your office?
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I know, I'm ranting, sorry - but that man pushes my buttons.
Feel free. I have nothing but empathy for your rantyness. He needs to develop a spine and a degree of integrity, and stop trying to have his cake and eat it. I concur with what you're saying - I'd be over the moon if someone wanted to film a work of mine.
And you know what, even if they make a complete ****-up of it in the end...well, so what? I once watched the film version of Graham Masterton's "Manitou". Egad, but it was atrocious. Did that, however, ruin my enjoyment of the original novel, which I still consider a horror classic?
Nope. Nuh-uh. Not even vaguely.
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From what I've seen, Alan Moore is on a serious high horse and needs to dismount and rejoin us here on Earth.
In addition to this, what he needs to do is stop selling the film rights to his works if he's sooooo convinced that no mere mortal can ever do them justice. Sorry, but while I might have sympathised with his reaction to "From Hell", the fact that he then proceeded to sell the rights to three more of his graphic novels (LoEG, V4V and Watchmen) within just a handful of years has left me far, far less impressed with his plight.
Besides, I notice that in the last three cases, he's waited until he's been paid before starting to *****. Funny, that.
I got the impression that Moore didn't have a choice in selling the rights or not. I thought he sold them to DC comics who printed the book after Warrior went under (and I thought Moore worked for DC comics for a while too..), and then all DC was in charge of selling movie rights or not....
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He did? I'm not sure how these things work; you're probably right, though.
Even so, his outlook is still a trifle immature. If this is the case, then shouldn't he be complaining about DC? In the end, it doesn't matter to whom he relinquished control, the fact is that he did, and it's past time he stopped complaining about the results of his free and unforced decision.
Okay, I'll go and sit on ButMad's lap in the "Rant Overload" corner now
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