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I am amused he's so upset about this. Dunno why. David Lloyd (think that's his name...the illustrator...) thought the movie was great, and I believe was given a script to read and was able to give a bit of input here and there.
I actually loved, loved LOVED From Hell. But League of Extraordinary Gentlemen...well I can completely see why he'd be upset with that one.
I'm kinda hoping he will see V4V, and at least understand why the changes that were made were made. He doesn't have to like it--heck he created it, but he could at least, say something nice about the actors who worked hard to create these characters..
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In addition to this, what he needs to do is stop selling the film rights to his works
To add on to what Sultana said, Moore claims that he was "tricked out of" the rights or they were "stolen" by DC - I forget which. But yes, they are now DC's rights, and thus their right to sell them again for the movie. Grow up and get over it, Moore!
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if he's sooooo convinced that no mere mortal can ever do them justice.
Hugo's a mere mortal??  I'm so disillusioned!
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Besides, I notice that in the last three cases, he's waited until he's been paid before starting to *****. Funny, that.
He claims he tells the movie people to give whatever money is due him to the artist - so for V4V, supposedly Lloyd got Moore's money. I, however, would not be surprised in the least if someone discovered an under-the-table deal where Moore publicly denies the money and has the illustrator slip it to him privately...
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When my dad first made it for me, he referred to it as an Ostrich Eye. Out of interest, did that particular one crop up around your office?
Not that I recall... "[something] in a hole" came up a couple times, though.
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And you know what, even if they make a complete ****-up of it in the end...well, so what? I once watched the film version of Graham Masterton's "Manitou". Egad, but it was atrocious. Did that, however, ruin my enjoyment of the original novel, which I still consider a horror classic?
Moore had a quote somewhere that he used to be naive and think that people would see the movie then read his original GN and "fix" their idea of how things were supposed to have gone (or something like that) - then he realized the people would watch the movie and that was it. He fails to take into account that there ARE people out here who are interested in reading the source material to compare and contrast!
*settles into the "Rant Overload" corner and makes self comfortable* Chips, Leda? Or are you in the mood for crisps?
(Which reminds me of an annoyingly superior barmaid who couldn't bring herself to believe that a Yank would actually order what she intended to order on the first try...)
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Moore claims that he was "tricked out of" the rights or they were "stolen" by DC - I forget which. But yes, they are now DC's rights, and thus their right to sell them again for the movie. Grow up and get over it, Moore!
I think we've found the root of his issues. Isn't this a classic case of "killing the goose that lays the golden eggs" syndrome? To be honest, yes, FH and LoEG didn't make that much money at the box office, although I believe that both did more than break even.
However, look - V is sprinting away, and that's before the DVD release and not counting the merchandise tally either. Call me an awful cynic, but I think this may have stuck in Moore's craw somewhat. That's an awful lot of green that he could have had at his disposal had he only retained the rights back in the day.
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there ARE people out here who are interested in reading the source material to compare and contrast!
Exactly. I'm one of them. I can't in all honesty confess that I enjoyed the GN all that much, though I did finish it on the second attempt. For one, and this is important to me, I don't think I would ever have fallen for V as represented in the GN. I found him a touch too supercilious at times, as well as being madder than a box of frogs, whereas our silver-screen V is, well, significantly less barmy...
That said, though, I respect the GN. I'd hope it's obvious from my fan fiction that I do; I've since included more than one detail from the GN that I felt the film could have benefitted from, after all.
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Chips, Leda? Or are you in the mood for crisps?
Hey, it's now 0:22 here, which means it's my birthday, which means that I'm actually in the mood for a glass of wine so big that you could drown a yeti in it. Since that's not an option until tomorrow, though, I believe I'll settle for a nice lavender-scented bath and the radio turned to Classic FM. I'll be back in a while 
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ButMad, Leda, and Sultana, I completely agree with your rants regarding Alan Moore and don't have anything to add since y'all said it so well! 
Leda and GalaxyThief, I also agree with you regarding the GN. To be fair, GNs are not my cup of tea, as I find the artwork rather distracting (my god, could Evey have been drawn any uglier???) and the print is a bit hard to read (I'm young at heart, but my eyes are old  ). I have quite a ways to go before I reach the end of this book, which I might not be able to do. I'm still reading the novelisation, also, but I am enjoying it much more than the GN, even though the author's writing style is horrendous. Probably because it not only mirrors the film, but also fills in a few gaps (artistic license, maybe?)
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Leda74 wrote:I once watched the film version of Graham Masterton's "Manitou". Egad, but it was atrocious. Did that, however, ruin my enjoyment of the original novel, which I still consider a horror classic?
Nope. Nuh-uh. Not even vaguely.
OMG, I remember that book! It gave me the creeps, especially when that dang Indian-thing was running around in the hospital after the power was out. Yikes! 
When the movie came out, I was so disappointed in it, as is usually the case whenever a really good book gets prostituted --- oops, I meant produced --- into a movie.
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I'm torn on the whole Alan Moore debate.
Partly because I enjoyed the film much more than the GN and I don't know if Mr. Moore just is griping for the hell of it;
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the knowledge that to get anything printed you have to sell your soul to the corporate devils anyway - and thereby lose power over something YOU created, ideas that was precious enough for you to invest many hours/days/months in. Ages ago, I read in an interview with him that he just thought it would be published, read, and then fade into literary history; that he didn't realise X years later it would be revived in movie form.
Yes, he does seem to be *****ing a lot, but if Tolkien were still alive I suspect he'd do the same, and if JK Rowling had not wanted her books 'moviefied' she would have done the same.
I've been lucky enough to beta-read the first couple of chapters of Melinda-Kitty's book, and I'd be horrified if someone else, without her input, made it into a film with vast changes - though such a film might also be good in its own right.
It's a quandry, innit.
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*concedes reluctantly that Boh might have a point about Moore's attitude*
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I've been lucky enough to beta-read the first couple of chapters of Melinda-Kitty's book
It's good, innit?  How far in have you gotten? I've read the first 4 chapters, and sent her my comments last night.
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I finished chapter 5 before going to bed, just need to post her my happy snarkings now. 
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I was wondering...Moore did receive the DVD previews,
as well as all other Artists/media involved in it.
What would you do with it if you were not very happy?
That´s just a guess. But it was an "inside job", that is
for sure. Who really did it we will never know... 
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What would you do with it if you were not very happy?
Burn it and encourage people not to see it, not post it online and make it easier for people to see it.
I have to say, kry, the way you think is.... interesting.
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