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Message from the Chancellor:
Having exchanged a few words with a member of Runboard admin on the subject of their recent changes, I have been assured that these changes were designed with the aim of curing the worst excesses of the recent slowdowns.
With this in mind, your Admin and I have decided that, for the time being, the LotSG Forum will be staying put...at least until we've given Runboard's upgrade a chance to prove itself. This is only fair, as well as being the sensible thing to do given that a lot of effort went into promoting the forum at its current address, not only on other message boards but with search engine submissions.
On the back of this, I would like to offer a toast (buttered or not, whatever he feels like) to Vadin for snaffling the www.lotsg.com domain for us. It was a hell of a surprise    and thank you so much for that!
That's about it for this particular Article of Allegiance. England Prevails!
*checks herself, embarrassed*
--- "What is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil" - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: Shadow Forum not moving house
Everyone knows that the new forum is better all the way around. You and your group are doing more harm than good by trying to block this move.
For any of you who don't know, I created everything here. With the exception of a few smilies and some forums that were added later. I gave Leda and ButMad their positions.
If I say it's best to move this group to it's own domain and proper forum, then, gee, don't you think I have a right to say that?
I think the admin is afraid of losing power.
I've already assured Leda that they'll retain all of their admin duties on the new forum. Nothing will change in that regard.
As for search engines... It's simple to create a link to the new forum at the top of this page, isn't it?
This forum has been here for only 6 months. It's not that big of a deal to switch addresses.
Look, I only did all this for the good of the group. I could care less about who runs what. But it irks me when a couple people ruin it for everyone.
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Re: Shadow Forum not moving house
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Everyone knows that the new forum is better all the way around. You and your group are doing more harm than good by trying to block this move.
Brett, please take a moment to consider, carefully, the fact that I have neither the power nor the inclination to stop any of our members from quitting this group if that is what they wish to do.
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For any of you who don't know, I created everything here.
We do know. We also know that at that time, it was your stated intent to hand over the reins to the women for whom it was created.
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If I say it's best to move this group to it's own domain and proper forum, then, gee, don't you think I have a right to say that?
Yes, you do. I have not and will not attempt to stop you from saying that. However, we have an equal right to discuss your offer, decide to decline it politely - as we have done - and hope that you'll accept that refusal with good grace.
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Sure, I'll accept it with good grace. If more than 2 people had their say in deciding what the whole group wanted.
Let everyone have their say.
If the majority are opposed, than so be it.
But if you think I'm going to give up because you and one other person don't like it, then think again.
I don't want this to turn ugly. I'd like everyone to be happy and have fun. That's what it's about.
Of course this group is for women, sorry I'm gender challenged, but like I've always said- You can have it. Just let me complete what I set out to do when I began this group.
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Sure, I'll accept it with good grace. If more than 2 people had their say in deciding what the whole group wanted.
They CAN have their say, Brett - good heavens. If everyone moves over to your place, that will be the say. As I said, I don't have the power to stop an exodus, and nor would I wish to.
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I don't want this to turn ugly.
Me neither, which is why I'd hope you can see that I've been trying my damndest to assure you, over and over again, that none of this is personal. I'm not asking you to shut down your forum and have said not one word against it. All we will do is run the two side by side for a few months and let the consumers decide, which is exactly as it should be. Agreed? Please?
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What about the confusion that you said that would cause?
If there are two forums running side by side for months, with the same name and members posting in each one, wouldn't that get a little confusing?
Right now I'm laying low with it, because you asked me to. I have maybe one link to it.
But If this group decides it wants to evolve, then I want this board closed to all posting, and all links pointing to the new domain. That's the only way this can go through... To avoid the confusion, remember?
Everyone has their excext same station in life on their shiny new forum. We move away from Runboard and use our own domain and our forum will have the ability to be backed-up on disk or whatever, and restored if need be. In fact, there are so many benefits to using the new board, I may be blinded by the obvious. Can someone please tell me what I'm failing to see here?
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Hey I think I figured it out!
I didn't ask nicely. That wasn't very cordial of me, now was it?
Leda, ButMad and all the rest, I've created a new forum for all of you, to do with as you want. It's all yours... All you have to do is go there. Sorry, it's kinda empty right now, but it's just waiting to be filled with your witty remarks and wonderful presence.
I'm sure you'll grow to love it, just as you've loved this one-time home of The Ladies of The Shadow Gallery.
Vadin.
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Re: Shadow Forum not moving house
Brett, the Staff (which numbers five, not two) have been discussing this issue since it was first raised. At the moment, we have made the decision to continue business as usual while we explore other options.
We have not said we will never move.
We have not told anyone they can't join your new forum - it is entirely up to them.
We thank you (again) for creating the Runboard forum for us.
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Re: Shadow Forum not moving house
Vadins Forum is not a new forum. It is this Forum.
It is not a substitute Forum, and if traffic is what we
need, please just say so, and I´ll give you a 1000
hits a day or more if you want. But I guess quality
hits is what we need. Everybody here is special, I feel.
want a fancy adress with top results? please, say so.
My main server is here in my computer, it is a free
domain (It´s my domain, I built it) and I have first
results on every search engine in the internet.
I am a male wanting to help the fantastic Ladies
arround here, just that. I want to serve, with pleasure,
and give an opinion or two. I love this Forum. It´s
OUR Forum, and it´s very nice so a transition is of
course difficult and no one wants to do it just like that.
As I see it, freedom is the main topic here. Freedom to
express, freedom to say those things we need to say
and should have said a long time ago. Freedom to stay
happy with dowtimes and broken links.
Freedom to be happy when we log in.
Finally, I sense a "small revolution" here, lol, hey but a
nice one, please note!...It´s nice, it gives perspectives,
and makes loging in an even more pleasunt experince.
"-I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHY THEY NEED US!!!...."
lol, I couldn´t resist this, sorry!.
Oh, and the "ALL ON" in the sister Forum is so sweet!.
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The process of decisions in spirited free-form groups is always an interesting process. just like in any face to face business, things get misunderstood, ideas arent heard or appreciated, anc communication is imperfect, and takes time.
As an Admin I'd like to say that decisions that affect our existence should be made collaboratively.I think we need to examine our decision process, and consider something like admin consensus with room for member input.
consensus decison making from wikipedia
As a member of a board dedicated to love for a free-thinking anarchist, I am all for spontaneous creative action. That is indeed what brought us here in the first place.
But I think the confusion arose when our Chancellor emeritus Vadin, although no longer in an Admin position, created a new home for us without consulting with either the general membership or the Admins.
This in no way diminishes my appreciation for you, Vadin, but it did throw a curve ball into the operations.
Our Admin team worked together for the board expansion last July, spending a few weeks working out the process as a team, before we posted notice of and then implemented the changes. We like working together.
And we like playing together, or we wouldnt be here.
Let's keep talking about what we are and what we need and want, and let's keep listening to each other in the process.
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