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I wasn't too sure what to think of it at first. I remember talking to hubby about it, and his reaction was pretty much "of course they get together"
..............if you look between Evey and Finch on a couple of occasions you see the last three letters of Strand. So it's Evey AND Finch or Finch AND Evey.
.............. In fact, in the script that descrption of that quick bit does say something to the effect that Finch is sitting on 'their' couch (Evey and Finch that is) 
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The only conclusion I can muster is that the placing of that sign was deliberate. The background in the platform scenes has been heavily altered.
..............If the intent had been to mask the identity of the location, it would have been a lot easier to either edit the "AND" out in post-production, or to cover it up with a few anonymous Norsefire posters.
Thank you Sultana of Persia and Leda of the Swan for supporting my interpretive fantasy. Although a "future" relationship between Finch and Hammond is definitely implied, as I have conceded before it does not necessarily have to be an intimate one or a marriage. None the less ladies, I am a romantic (even if to Vienna's chagrin I am in this case a "May-December" romantic). So IMHO, Sultana's expert opinion as a more serious student of the narative appears to support my emotional and literary "fill in the blanks" impression of those hints the authors drop for us. For me the visual cues ("str...AND," Finch lounging/relaxed on the couch, Evey's joyful twirl away from the Scarlet Carsons to glide across the room toward him, and their facial expressions and body language on the tube platform and roof) suggest something more than just friendship or comradeship. For me it suggests a "happy ending" of post-revolution return to stability, democracy, and tolerance. And what better way is there to imply that visually/symbolicaly than with this iconic image of the most basic, stable, societal unit: "The Couple". And keep in mind that all of these "hints", from their placement, were undoubtedly meant to be subliminal flashes, and were only designed to be appreciated in an "unconscious" way by most audience members. It is only we VEEKS who perform this movie archeology and appreciate the subtle intent of McTeigue, Wachowski(s), et al.
Without this hopeful glimpse of a stable future in our tale, the overthrow of Norsefire could just as easily be imagined to devolve back into the chaos of "the reclamation" and become the kind of anarchy and civil war we are witnessing today in Iraq.
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PS: USA citizens VOTE TODAY, November 7th, 2006!!!!!
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This would have taken a fair amount of work, as well as requiring permission from London Underground to make the necessary alterations to a preserved site...
 Wasn't the tube station a set that they built?
Click here for behind the scenes photos
....forget what I said. I think I'm thinking of the Victoria Station fight - THAT was a contained set.
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curioser and curioser, i wouldn't be suprised if it ws deliberate. i really think that they end up being friends, not lovers.
And why do you think they end up being friends, and not as you write, "lovers?" I think they most definitely have a friendship, or rather the beginning of one at the end of the movie. It's obvious the two are connected in some way at the the end, but I don't see anything concrete supporting an intimate relationship, except the flash forward scene.
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I don't see anything concrete supporting an intimate relationship, except the flash forward scene.
Just my two cents: We can also keep in mind that there's more than one way to have an "intimate" relationship. IMO, there's likely to be a bond there, having gone through what they experienced and possibly setting the country on course again - together.
Having them end up as lovers or husband-wife is a bit of a stretch, for me. Very close friends, I could see.
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Yup. It was in the book Script to Film.
As for the Strand. That wasn't my doing...that was hubby's.  I didn't even notice it till he said something. And I can't really come up with a good reason why McTeigue would have left anything up about what tube station they're using there... So, the AND between Finch/Evey to show they somehow work/live/love together made sense to me.
I still don't buy the whole "and" thing; I guess I'd have to see screen shots (besides Leda's) of it and even then one wouldn't be able to tell if that was the intent of the creators. However, knowing what I do about the film, I wouldn't put it past them. Sneaky guys (and gals)...
As far as Evey having an intimate relationship in the future with Finch, the ONLY evidence in my mind to support this, and this is even dubious, is the flash-forward scene. But in that scene, they could also just be friends, collaborators or whatever and be sharing an afternoon together. I think the Wachowskis et al. put that subliminal shot to peak the curiosity of the viewers as a teaser for a possible sequel or to speculate on an Evey/Finch relationship (which seemed to work very well here).
But as far as I'm concerned and referencing the source material for the movie, the GN, I still maintain that Evey assumed V's role and Finch walked off in to the darkness of night. There is absolutely NO indication in the GN that Finch and Evey carry on any sort of relationship at the end. Of course, I know we are talking about the movie, but I think the little teaser flash-forward scene is all the Wachowski movie machine and nothing else. And of course, as everything in life, interpretation is in the eye of the beholder. 
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I don't see anything concrete supporting an intimate relationship, except the flash forward scene.
Just my two cents: We can also keep in mind that there's more than one way to have an "intimate" relationship. IMO, there's likely to be a bond there, having gone through what they experienced and possibly setting the country on course again - together.
My definition in this context and following the ideas presented previously by me and pwsull (and others??) in the Sparkle thread - by intimate, I mean an emotionally and physically intimate relationship. Like I wrote previously, it is obvious they share a bond and will most likely continue on as friends and/or collaborators.
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Having them end up as lovers or husband-wife is a bit of a stretch, for me. Very close friends, I could see.
Yup....and thanks for your two cents.
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My definition in this context and following the ideas presented previously by me and pwsull (and others??) in the Sparkle thread - by intimate, I mean an emotionally and physically intimate relationship.
I know. That's what most people mean by that. I just wanted to point out a relationship can be intimate and platonic - like extremely close friends.
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How apropos that I should find this website dedicated to Evey and Finch...enjoy:
http://www.gabe-e.com/finch/
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I don't see anything concrete supporting an intimate relationship, except the flash forward scene.
this reference is pretty concrete....
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V for Vendetta: From Script to Film
page 144, script page 136
scene 248A:
INT.. EVEY'S NEW APARTMENT - DAY
Evey waters her Scarlet Carsons, while in a mirrored reflection, Finch sits on their couch, smiling.
italics mine
It looks to me like our own dear Pwsull hit the nail on the head, perceptive romantic that he is. That is ALOT of story to derive from a fraction of a second! more reason to love these movie makers, when they load up the layers of meaning and story richly.
Of course, they could just be very good friends who own a couch together...
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