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Re: Could you forgive V?
Were Hitler's fingermen 'the Gestapo'? I'm only guessing this mind.
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Were Hitler's fingermen 'the Gestapo'? I'm only guessing this mind.
The general school of thought, IIRC, is that the Fingermen in V4V are quite similar to Hitler's Gestapo. So, yes.
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Re: Could you forgive V?
Could I forgive V?
Yes. Because I know how much " fear " can affects a person's life. And, I would love to have V to get rid of my “fear”.
For Evey? I think what she responded on the movie was appropriate, she didn't ask V to get rid of her “fear".
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she didn't ask V to get rid of her “fear".
Are you sure? 
EVEY: I wish I were more like my parents. I wish I were, but I'm not. I wish I weren't afraid all the time. But I am.
Be careful what you wish for... 
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12/6/2006, 11:57 am
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Re: Could you forgive V?
ButMad,
Indirectly? Yes ( I agree) . I was thinking of more as a direct request, such as " would you help me get rid of my fear". Then, again, that won't be a good movie, isn't it.
I do hope my wish come true.....
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That scene really bothers me. What she shared with V about her childhood trauma, and the way she shared it, made it sound like it was something that had been haunting her her whole life, and I imagine she wouldn't have talked about it with anybody easily. But it turned out to be part of her escape plan! No wonder V looked disappointed when he found out. Even I feel let down by her betrayal everytime I watch that scene!  For me that was one of the two biggest twists in this movie (the other one being when Evey found out that V had been her torturer).
Back to the topic..... While not denying that V did a monstrous thing to Evey, could you imagine what would have happened to Evey if she had been captured by one of Creedy's men? Looking at the way they handled Gorden before excuting him, my guess is that she would have had to endure physical tortures more brutal and bloody in nature. There wouldn't have been Valerie's letters in her darkest moments. She most likely would have died a miserable death in fear. I know it must have been hard for her to forgive V. But I wonder, when she looked at the events retrospectively, if she ever shuddered at the thought of what could have happened to her if she had been captured by Creedy, or what great fear she would have been living with had she managed to escape on her own the night Gordon was captured.
So, I wonder if her "thank-you" in Valerie's shrine was to any extent a sincere one. There she nearly kissed him - just after she called him a "monster". And I could hear sarcasm when she said "I suppose whatever you did to me worked better than I would have imagined". I wonder if she ever did reconcile her ambivalent feelings towards him by the end of the movie.
Hmmmm I am not really answering the question am I?  I don't know if I could forgive V if I were in Evey's shoes, I am still trying to figure out exactly what mix of emotions Evey was feeling post-imprisonment. What do you think?
I have been dwelling on that for a long time! 
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Hmmmm I am not really answering the question am I? I don't know if I could forgive V if I were in Evey's shoes, I am still trying to figure out exactly what mix of emotions Evey was feeling post-imprisonment. What do you think?
I have been dwelling on that for a long time!
I imagine she felt similar to when a child is taught tough love by his/her parent. I think on one hand, your idealistic view of your parent would be shattered. Conversely, through the strict drawing of boundaries (in this case a forceful push to face fears), you gain a new sense of self-esteem and self-respect. It is the case of the lesser of the two evils. I believe it would result in quite a contradictory mix of emotions ranging from something along the lines of Stockholm Syndrome, to a new sense of freedom and self-esteem, to hatred and betrayal, to love and back and forth and all meshed together. For some, I believe this can cause a mental breakdown. Fortunately, Evey was strong enough to handle it. Maybe because she first understood V from a heart-centered place...and that would be were forgiveness would lie. I do believe she forgave V because she grew to understand herself, as well as, him. Marie Curie wrote "Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood." Evey was quite a woman.
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Beauty is just the beginning of a terror we can only just barely endure,
and we admire it so because it calmly disdains to destroy us.
Every angel is terrible. (Rilke's elegy)
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Re: Could you forgive V?
Does justice ever need forgiveness?
This has been on my mind lately. V executes justice on Evey, the betrayer, the coward, the child greedy to go home and feel better - and from that complex act of justice proceeds Evey, the the true, the brave, the woman who can face anything.
Remember that Evey offered to Lilliman exactly the bargain that V/interrogators demand: his life for her release.
His act accomplishes punishment, redemption, education, transformation, and that most impossible of worldly boons, the opportunity to take back an evil deed.
It's perfect. She benefits from every aspect and he does nothing that diminishes the result. Does it hurt? of course.
The Christ-haunted BW are playing with images from theology; thus Evey plays Eve, the betrayer, and Second Eve, ie, Mary Theotokos, who redeems the choice of the first in saying Yes [though Evey says No, but the link is there].
As an OT image, V is reminiscent of the God who purifies his beloved, through dreadful tests and struggles, against Himself in disguise, to make a fit bride for himself.
They slip in and out of the archetypes, like Bharatanatyam dancers doing Krishna, Shiva, Lakshmi, etc, shifting from one moment to the next. So a little later she's the Magdalene to his Christ, and he talks about the Tree waiting [or not] for him, and Finch is the Centurion - or even Paul, the persecutor.
So to tie it back to the early part of the thread: V is not like Creedy, because Creedy is not in the business of justice [la giusta vendetta], but mere power. Creedy's cruelties harm the innocent, but V's terrible justice restores innocence to the guilty
Work with play the happy differentiation!
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Re: Could you forgive V?
I don't think anyone could forgive V as fast as Evey did. She got over it pretty quickly, not as quick as the Graphic Novel, but still pretty damn quick considering what he did to her. But then again she did kind of ask for it (many times).
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