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Re: Hugo Weaving films
I watched Proof with LWL, possibly a mistake. The date from hell/couch scene was upsetting. Funny, there is a much more revealing sex scene with Russell Crowe [nice ass] that has no squick or charge at all.
I remember Priscilla but not scene by scene. is there much we would rather not see? ie, raunchy or otherwise squicky sex? When i don't particularly care, as happened when I saw this years ago in a theater, my memory edits things out.
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OK, Vixens, I assume you find Mr. HW strangely attractive. Has anyone here seen Peaches
? **fans self** If not, run, don't walk, to your nearest source of Hugo movies.
Yes, he plays a less-than-sterling character (a trend...) but beautifully conflicted and sexy, with a few love scenes that should make your day. 
Its made by the same director who did The Interview, Craig Monahan. Two impressive movies, even if I am biased. The Interview was dark and sinister, this one is drenched in golden light, poignant, surprising. The young actress who plays Steph, Emma Lung, is an unusual beauty, (with hair like yours, Leda!)
Here's a little taste:
I love the way he looks like a real person, someone I could know, not a shiny-perfect movie idol. 
What's he thinking? Inquiring Vixens want to know... 
Kiss me, you fool! 
What would you give for that bedroom smile, hmmmm? 
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...with a few love scenes that should make your day.
*sound of rapidly-fading footsteps*
*sound of Blockbuster shop being broken into*
--- "What is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil" - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Sorry I can't agree with you all on "Peaches."
Although there's a lot of Hugo in it, he plays such a despicable character, that I almost put "V4V' on a shelf, never to look at it or any other Weaving film again. I was THAT angry! Remember that Hugo's character, Alan, is having an affair with an underage woman of half-Asian descent, who would have been his adopted daughter if he had stayed with his wife, Jude. (Holy Woody Allen, Batman!)
In addition, this child/woman in "Peaches" is illiterate and Alan is her boss! She has absolutely no power in this relationship. He uses her up and discards her like a piece of toilet tissue. Now if either character had learned something from the experience, or grown in some way I would say the movie was worthwhile.
But all she can do after she finds out that to Alan, she's nothing more than a piece of ***, all she can do is go into a bathroom stall and cry. A little. And Jude's reaction when she finds out about her ex-husband banging her daughter is to sit on the back steps and smoke a cigarette!
Pull-ease!!!!! These are not real womanly emotions.
And Alan's reason for doing this to two women he should love? Because (as a cynical middle-aged man) he "wanted to know what it was like to take risks again." What?????? How is this a risk for him?
In the commentary director Craig Monahan has said that he wanted to make something "beautiful."
A creepy-middle-aged-man fantasy is more like it.
If you want to see a beautiful movie about middle-aged men trying to have a last fling, rent "Sideways." This is the movie Woody Allen has been trying to make for the past 30 years. And that Craig Monahan can only dream about! "Sideways" has the humor, sweetness, and romanticism that is apparently missing from the hearts of both directors (WoodyAllen and Craig Monahan).
P.S.: Returning to "Peaches," what's with that ridiculous-looking giant peach?
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Yikes, Dr. D, dont blame all of us, I am the only one to praise Peaches, so far.
Well, yes, I am made uncomfortable with some of that may-as-well-be-incesty squickiness. But Steph is 18, and she initiates the realtionship, quite determinedly.
Somehow I identify with her (not through any obvious parallel experience) and found her not diminished by the situation, but freed.
The adults in her life are all caught up in their own ****. and yet she discovers her own history, her own story, and makes her own way. We dont know if she goes forth in the world and learns to read or saves the world, but I didn't feel she was damaged, but freed, by the experience.
As for the peach, which looks like an enormous butt, the damn peaches dominate everyone's life there in Swan's Reach. There is a political and economic story there too... and Alan's flip/flop from Union to Management, from stuttering sweetie to cynical hardass shows how lost he really is.
Maybe I am blinded by some sort of romantic story. But I thought it was beautiful - not just for Hugo moments, but visually too, the way everything drips with golden light.
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And Jude's reaction when she finds out about her ex-husband banging her daughter is to sit on the back steps and smoke a cigarette!
Pull-ease!!!!! These are not real womanly emotions.
Uh, actually these are real emotions for some troubled women. Unfortunately....
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And Alan's reason for doing this to two women he should love? Because (as a cynical middle-aged man) he "wanted to know what it was like to take risks again." What?????? How is this a risk for him?
This movie sounds a bit like "American Beauty."
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If you want to see a beautiful movie about middle-aged men trying to have a last fling, rent "Sideways."
Oh, I LOVE that movie. It is in my DVD collection! And you don't feel like you need to take a shower after watch it. Love Paul Giamatti!!
However, I am now intriqued with Peaches. I'll have to watch it just to see what the hubbub is all about.
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Sorry, I certainly didn't mean to flame anyone. I was just voicing my opinion about "Peaches." I would definitely encourage anyone interested in learning more about Hugo Weaving to rent or buy it.
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Venturous wrote:But Steph is 18, and she initiates the relationship, quite determinedly.
Yeah, and at 18 many college girls dream of bagging the professor, but just because a young girl comes on to you doesn't mean you have to take her up on the offer. In some situations, there is a decided "ick" factor.
Right now the whole country is caught up in this Mark Foley scandal (Senator Preys On Congressional Pages!!!)
If a much older male lover also wields POWER over a young employee, regardless of the sex of that employee, it's icky. If the old dog doesn't have any concern about the feelings of the youngster, even ickier. And if he is also sort of related to to the victim, O-MI-GOD, it's triple icky! Throw in some subtle racism, class warfare, and economic leverage and you have the situation in "Peaches."
Believe me, I don't mind a good coming-of-age story. I loved "Lost in Translation." There just has to be some kind of meeting of the minds somewhere....at least for me.
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Vienna 7 wrote: This movie sounds a bit like "American Beauty."
Yes, Hugo Weaving has been compared to Kevin Spacey. They are both intelligent, unconventionally good-looking leading men/character actors who favor playing men who are sort of arch, cynical, or damaged in some way. But Kevin Spacey has the power of ironic detachment, which was so critical to the success of "American Beauty." Weaving on the other hand tends to be a little too earnest and literal to pull off that kind of part. You can smile along with Spacey in a sardonic way that you just can't do with Weaving. We love them both and they do have their uses. I just wouldn't have wanted to see Weaving in "American Beauty."
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More thoughts on Peaches.
but first, quote:
This movie sounds a bit like "American Beauty."
Yes, and Dr. D mentions "Lost in Translation." In those films, the aging guy takes the high road, and doesnt **** her. In "Beauty," he is right there, but discovers her secret, her virginity, and shifts his energy, seems to wake up, and love her the way he should, not the way his sexual momentum is going. In "Translation," Bill Murray doesnt seem to have much of that going, but lots of poignant heart-feeling, longing for connection more emotional than sexual.
It's be interesting to get a male viewpoint on this. Admiral, Kry, PW, Vadin, any takers?
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If a much older male lover also wields POWER over a young employee, regardless of the sex of that employee, it's icky. If the old dog doesn't have any concern about the feelings of the youngster, even ickier. And if he is also sort of related to to the victim, O-MI-GOD, it's triple icky! Throw in some subtle racism, class warfare, and economic leverage and you have the situation in "Peaches."
I take your point, Dr. D, about the stacking up of workplace harassment, classism, racism, and incest, its a nasty business. I hadnt really added all of those up, but there they are.
Interesting the denoument of these three male characters. None of them expect to become a pair and stay together. In "Translation," Murray goes on with his life of good fortune and enui, having been touched by love. In "Beauty," he dies, but having awakened to his life, I feel he has triumphed. In "Peaches," the future is muddy, but Steph has the world of possibility before her. Alan may never get his **** together. They are all forced to change by the closing of the peach plant.
So, as to what I woke up with this morning:
This story is a much more empowered and beautiful loss of maidenhood than my own experience. And I love the film for that. It is his blood that stains the sheets, not hers. She chooses him, he flees, she rescues him, she claims him. She teaches herself to climax with him, and she is delighted and proud, and opened like a flower.
She chooses. Unlike Evey, she chooses consciously.
He should resist her. He tries, briefly, then surrenders, becoming the sweet tender lover I wish I had for that moment. How it must have rent his heart, knowing he SHOULD have been her father? But he refused the role, was angry and rejecting of what fate had thrust upon them.
The two couples were really all in love with each other, and Jass”s journal even implied they might have shared lovemaking as a foursome at some point. Jude knew this was her child, without question. Alan refused this, and went spinning off in another chaotic direction, refusing his fate. He rejected Steph as an infant.
So when she says “I think I missed you.” In their last embrace, I believe she is talking about when he left her, as a baby, and refused to be her dad. All of their lives were shattered by the deaths of Johnny and Jass. They are all still reeling from this 18 years later. So he really is an emotional wreck. He gets cracked open by her. And one hopes that he and Jude can unfreeze their hearts.
I am glad I have this forum to look at all this, now that V has cracked something open in me...
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Yeah, and at 18 many college girls dream of bagging the professor, but just because a young girl comes on to you doesn't mean you have to take her up on the offer.
If a much older male lover also wields POWER over a young employee, regardless of the sex of that employee, it's icky.
Dittos from me! We are so accustomed to the older man/young women scenario that many are densitized to it nowadays. IMO, it is mostly about power and control. This was sort of the point I was making to pwsull in the Things that Sparkle thread in relation to Finch/Evey, although Finch is nothing like Hugo's character in this movie. But once again, I will hold back from a solid opinion until I see the movie.
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But Kevin Spacey has the power of ironic detachment, which was so critical to the success of "American Beauty." Weaving on the other hand tends to be a little too earnest and literal to pull off that kind of part.
Ah...I see...Is it just me, or does Hugo appear to have a twisted side to his real personality? Obviously, I don't know him, but one can gather this from the roles he plays and HOW he plays them.
Again, I want to highly recommend the movie Holy Smoke with Kate Winslet and Harvey Keitel. Similar issues are challenged in this movie (as only Kate can) all within the context of analyzing what is a valid spiritual pursuit and experience. It's a Jane Campion movie, what'd you expect?!?! One of my top favs!
Edits: Damn power outages in my area! New construction going on.
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and we admire it so because it calmly disdains to destroy us.
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