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Thousands Protests Iraq War; Remember Vietnam
Chief and friends,
This is an example of how effective are groups like mine, and others, at arranging and coordinating public demonstrations via only email discussions and notifications. Simultaneously, this shows "the power of the internet" for serious and worthwhile purposes such as this. Of course we are not in direct contact with each and every participant in such, tens-of-thousands-strong protest marches, but our people are directly responsible for the resultant word-of-mouth spreading of such arrangements at the grassroots level.
On the negative side, the preparations by local police forces start long before any applications for permits are filed, and the very much smaller groups of pro-government counter-protestors start to mobilize, because of "implanted spies and leakers" within our ranks, which is not preventable.
Nonetheless, the overwhelming numbers of anti-war demonstators invariably "forces" the mainstream news to issue reports about such protests, which then "forces" the politicians to take notice of them and vary their thinking accordingly, whether or not they publicly and officially acknowledge having been so swayed.
Most importantly, such marches and demonstrations in America show the rest of the world that "We the People" are neither responsible for, nor in agreement with the murderous policies of our standing government regime.
Greg
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Thousands Protests Iraq War; Remember Vietnam
March 18, 2007 10:03 a.m. EST
William Macklin - All Headline News Staff Reporter
Washington, D.C. (AHN) - Across the nation Saturday, tens of thousands of demonstrators marched to protest wars present and past, commemorating both the fourth anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq and the 40th anniversary of a major demonstration against the Vietnam war.
Marchers in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco and other cities throughout the U.S. gathered to demonstrate against the Iraq war, which began with the invasion on March 20, 2003.
Meanwhile, outside the Pentagon, thousands of protestors gathered to condemn the Iraq conflict, recalling the Levitate the Pentagon march against the Vietnam War in 1967. That demonstration, which culminated in violent scuffles between marchers and police, underscored the growing militancy of the nation's youth counter-culture.
Unlike the 1967 march, Saturday's protests were largely peaceful. However, the presence of counter demonstrators along some march routes suggested that despite polls showing wide-spread opposition to U.S. involvement in Iraq, the issue is far from settled in the hearts and minds of many Americans.
In Washington as thousands of anti-war marchers met near the Lincoln Memorial and prepared to head to the Pentagon, hundreds of counter demonstrators gathered nearby, according to reports.
As marchers approached the Pentagon, they were met by about 50 counter demonstrators near Arlington Cemetery, the New York Times reported. One held a sign reading, "Go to hell traitors. You dishonor our dead on hallowed ground."
Among the anti-war marchers was Harold Draner, a Vietnam veteran from Louisville, Ky. Draner told Cox News service that he felt compelled to protest the Iraq conflict because he felt Americans had been mislead.
"This war is wrong. It was based on lies to begin with," said Draner. "I see a lot of parallels with Vietnam."
Police blocked the anti-war demonstrators from reaching the Defense Department. The Pentagon Force Protection Agency made five arrests, the Times reported.
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3/18/2007, 8:11 am
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Good morning Greg.
First (I might be wrong), this is the first thread that you've started here, and I'm glad about it.
Next, I'm sure that I reflect Joseph's conclusion about it being now too late to reverse the course leading to WWIII on Bush's watch.
But I thoroughly agree with, applaud and thank groups like yours for letting the world know that the vast majority of Americans do not support or approve of George W. Bush, his Aministration and his war-policies.
Coincidentally, I got to TFTF this morning immediately after reading 7 or 8 articles about the subject protest march, and I was just about to start a thread of my own on the topic. I guess this shows that like minds indeed do think alike! LOL
Congratulations to you, your Vets organization, and others like yours, for this very impressive showing on this historically important date.
Aaron
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3/18/2007, 8:45 am
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Re: Thousands Protests Iraq War; Remember Vietnam
Bush’s reaction to the latest anti-War protests and disapproval-ratings? HE WILL NOT BE MOVED!
Is anybody surprised?
Didn’t I say that he’d be following “new marching orders” from the Zionists following the “defeat of the Republicans in both houses of the Congress”?
Didn’t I say that the “new” Democrat-majority Congress would be as much or more compliant with Bush’s “requests and appeals” for more troops and more funding, depite its spate of “non-binding resolutions” for public consumption?
Face the facts, folks. There has been no actual change to the American politicians’ common mantra of “Israel’s interests are America’s interests,” just like there have been no actual and tangible justifications for that mantra, other than the shown and inescapable fact that those politicians who do not echo it have zero chances for election or reelection.
Joseph
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Reuters
http://uk.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUKIBO93187720070319
Bush issues dire Iraq warning
Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:40PM GMT
By Matt Spetalnick
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Striking a subdued tone on the fourth anniversary of the Iraq war, President George W. Bush pleaded for patience on Monday and warned sceptical Americans of dire consequences of a swift troop withdrawal.
Bush defended his Iraq policy in the face of new polls showing Americans increasingly oppose the war and Iraqis with little or no confidence in U.S. forces seemingly unable to halt sectarian bloodshed bordering on civil war.
With his approval ratings near the low point of his presidency, Bush made a brief televised appearance at the White House, appealing for more time for his plan to send in nearly 30,000 additional troops, mostly to stabilise Baghdad.
He acknowledged, however, that "prevailing in Iraq is not going to be easy."
Bush's cautious tone contrasted sharply with the swagger shown when he stood on the deck of an aircraft carrier weeks after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein and declared major combat operations in Iraq over.
As the war entered its fifth year on Monday, insurgents carried out deadly bombings in Kirkuk and Baghdad.
"Four years after this war began, the fight is difficult but it can be won," Bush said after a teleconference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki. "It will be won if we have the courage and resolve to see it through."
Bush said the Baghdad security plan is "in its early stages, and success will take months, not days or weeks."
Bush did not repeat his earlier vow to achieve outright victory. But he stuck to his refusal to set a timetable for a withdrawal, despite stepped-up pressure from the Democratic-led Congress.
"It can be tempting to look at the challenges in Iraq and conclude our best option is to pack up and go home. That may be satisfying in the short run, but I believe the consequences for American security would be devastating," he said.
The House of Representatives plans to debate a proposal that would tie approval of emergency war funds to a troop pullout by September 2008. Bush, who has threatened a veto, urged lawmakers to approve funding "without strings."
'WAR WITHOUT END'
"The American people have lost confidence in President Bush's plan for a war without end in Iraq," Democratic U.S. House Of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi said.
House Republican Leader John Boehner accused the Democrats of a "slow-bleed scheme" to choke off support to the troops.
Bush said in January he was sending 21,500 more troops to Iraq, mostly to secure Baghdad, a number that has since climbed to around 30,000 with the addition of support troops.
A CNN poll showed support for the war had fallen to 32 percent, with 63 percent opposing it. Anti-war protests were mounted in U.S. cities over the weekend. Some 40 protesters were arrested outside the New York Stock Exchange on Monday.
Another poll showed four in five Iraqis have little or no trust in U.S.-led forces and most think their presence is making security worse. Despite that, only about a third want them to leave now.
The poll, commissioned by the BBC, ABC News, USA Today and ARD German television, showed faith in U.S.-led forces was highest in the north, at 46 percent, and non-existent in Baghdad, where 100 percent said they had not very much or no confidence. Overall, just 18 percent of Iraqis expressed confidence.
Americans' frustration over the Iraq war cost Bush's Republicans control of Congress in November and is the main reason his public approval ratings are stuck near 30 percent.
Bush reiterated that premature withdrawal from Iraq would endanger the United States. "The terrorists could emerge from the chaos with a safe haven in Iraq," he said.
His critics contend Iraq has distracted Washington from the war in Afghanistan, which they see as a more important fight.
The Iraq war has killed more than 3,200 U.S. military personnel and tens of thousands of Iraqis. Bombers struck in Kirkuk, to the north, on Monday, killing at least 12 people, and near a Shi'ite mosque in Baghdad, killing four.
Nearly three months after Saddam was executed, legal sources said his former vice president, Taha Yassin Ramadan, would be hanged on Tuesday for crimes against humanity.
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3/20/2007, 11:59 am
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Re: Thousands Protests Iraq War; Remember Vietnam
No, Chief, I for one am not "surprised" by GWB's swift public reaction, as it was and like we should all have expected it.
Neither can I disagree with the other points raised in your preface.
But, "public announcements" and "inside thinking" are never quite the same.
As a person and as the President/C-in-C, Bush is certainly "running scared" as he digests these latest events and statistics.
However, like you again pointed out, he knows that he is not, as boasted, "The Decider" in these matters, but must follow the game-plan that is drawn-up and handed to him as if he were the Quarterback on a football team.
Like I've said, our actions always have "some" effects, sometimes slight, but often drastic, upon the minds of INDIVIDUAL officials within the government and the military establishment.
So, because the smooth operation of any behind-the-scenes conspiracy relies upon the EXPECTED actions and cooperation of each member at all critical times, and because carefully-constructed plans have to be altered "on the fly" whenever one or more of the key players FAILS to act as expected, it can be said that ours is a "war of attrition" as we sway the thinking of key players even one at a time.
The swiftness more than the content of Bush's public reaction tells us that we'd done the right thing at the right time, so to speak.
Greg
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3/20/2007, 12:42 pm
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Re: Thousands Protests Iraq War; Remember Vietnam
Greg (and others),
I certainly hope that you did not misconstrue my subject preface as a "minimizing" critique of the recent protest-marches.
Your explanation of the intents and goals of such protests (as well as your "member-by-member conversion via selective head-banging and jawboning"), is in full agreement with my own thinking and actions as one of the "guerilla warfare applecart-upsetters" (dissident activists) in every aspect of political corruption that I've moved against in my lifetime.
In true fact, my own efforts could not have succeeded without the data that I receive(d) from "insiders," and of course without my being able to utilize such information to "persuade" some of the otherwise hardheaded and stiffnecked players and beneficiaries in and of the moneymaking conspiracies to "voluntarily" do the right things at the right times.
You and yours, as well as others like you and your organization, have nothing but my deepest respect, admiration and thanks for what you do and how you do it.
Once again, I recite this absolute truism; "Evil flourishes when good men do nothing!"
Joseph
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3/20/2007, 1:14 pm
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Re: Thousands Protests Iraq War; Remember Vietnam
Greg and Joseph,
This is one of those rare occasions in which I find both of you here at around the same time.
All I have to say is that I thoroughly understand, agree with and applaud the "combined" positions that the two of you have painstakingly explained.
A/G
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