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Poland is a CASH WHORE for CIA re Detention Camps!
After all the whining, crying, and attempts for "compensation payments" from Germany by the modern Poles, based on the atrocities committed against their ancestors by Hitler's Nazis (it worked for the Jews), it now comes to light that Poland has been working hand-in-hand with the American CIA in maintaining a similar "Detention Camp" at which Arabs are being subjected to similar atrocities at the hands of Americans.
Here are the earliest details:
Hunt for CIA 'black site' in Poland
By Nick Hawton
BBC News, Szymany, Poland
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Unusual flights arrived at Szymany airport in 2003
I stood at the end of the frozen runway, peering through the mist, trying to make out the terminal building in the distance.
It was exactly at this spot, and under the cover of darkness, that the CIA planes did their business.
"They always followed the same procedure," says Mariola Przewlocka, the manager at the remote Szymany airport in north-east Poland when the strange flights arrived during 2003.
"We were always told to keep away. The planes would stay at the end of the runway, often with their engines running. A couple of military vans from the nearby intelligence base would go up to them, stay a while and then drive off, out of the airport.
'Cash payments'
"I saw several of these flights but never saw inside the vans because they had tinted windows and they never stopped at the terminal building.
"Payment was always made in cash. The invoices were made out to American companies but they were probably fake," says Mrs Przewlocka.
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European MPs visited Poland to investigate the claims
In September 2006, President Bush admitted what had been suspected for a long time - that the CIA had been running a special programme to transport and interrogate leading members of al-Qaeda, away from the public spotlight.
Human rights groups have expressed concerns that the prisoners may have been tortured.
The hunt has been on ever since to locate the secret prisons, or "black sites" as they are known.
Poland and Romania have been named by investigators as hosting such sites.
The claims are denied by both governments.
CIA landings
After a week of meetings in smoky Warsaw restaurants and coffee bars with Polish intelligence sources, airport workers and journalists, I obtained what I had been looking for, and something that nobody in authority wanted to reveal, the flight log of planes landing at Szymany airport.
They confirmed my eyewitness's account - that a well-known CIA Gulfstream plane, the N379P, had made several landings at the airport in 2003.
The plane has been strongly linked to the transportation of al-Qaeda terrorists.
Another plane, a Boeing 737, had flown direct from Kabul to this remote Polish airport.
"There is no particular reason for a Gulfstream to stop there. So there has to be a reason why the plane is stopping there and the fact that everyone is trying to conceal this reason makes it all the more interesting to try to find out what it is," says Anne Fitzgerald from Amnesty International.
I followed the route of the military vans from the airport to the nearby secret Polish intelligence base at the village of Stare Kiejkuty.
Surrounded by double-lined fences, security cameras and thick pine forest, visitors are not welcome.
'Secret prison'
Within five minutes of stopping the car I was approached by a man in a military uniform who made it clear he wanted me to leave.
Was this where a CIA secret prison had been located?
A committee of European parliamentarians who investigated the CIA secret prison programme subsequently concluded in a report:
"In the light of... serious circumstantial evidence, a temporary secret detention facility may have been located at the intelligence training centre at Stare Kiejkuty."
“I think it's quite probable there was a kind of transfer site, a black site, in Poland.”
Jozef Pinior, Polish politician
Others go further. Marc Garlasco is a senior military analyst with Human Rights Watch.
He says: "It's almost a foregone conclusion that Poland hosted a CIA Black Site."
But the authorities in Poland do not want to talk about it.
All requests for interviews with government ministers were rejected. The European parliamentarians met a similar wall of silence.
One civil servant from the prime minister's office claimed a secret, internal inquiry had concluded there had been no "black site" in Poland.
Others disagree.
"I think it's quite probable there was a kind of transfer site, a black site, in Poland. There is a Kafka-like mood in Warsaw. No one from the government has the will to answer our questions," says Jozef Pinior, a senior Polish politician, who has called for a commission to investigate the claims.
With Polish troops serving in Afghanistan and Iraq, and with the United States as the country's key ally, there is no desire to delve into the secret deals made in the secret war against international terrorism.
The US state department has said it always complies with its laws and treaty obligations and respects the sovereignty of other countries.
But the truth of Poland's role may soon emerge.
The new Democratic-controlled US Congress may begin its own investigation into the CIA secret prisons programme in the next few months.
The search for Poland's secret CIA prison is broadcast in Global Account for the first time at 23.06 GMT on Thursday 28 December on BBC World Service.
A longer version of the same programme, "Chasing Shadows", will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 at 20.00 on Tuesday 2 January , repeated Sunday 7 January at 17.00.
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Re: Poland is a CASH WHORE for CIA re Detention Camps!
HOLY CRAP! Bush has managed to make MOST POLES (but not Kaczynski) smarter than him!
Aaron
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U.S. ally fears price for loyalty
Poland says being host to an antimissile shield would expose it to attacks and require it to modernize its military.
By Jeffrey Fleishman
Times Staff Writer
March 16, 2007
WARSAW — A U.S. proposal to build an antimissile shield in Poland has forced a close ally to reassess Bush administration policies that many officials here say could make their country a target for Russian rockets and Islamic terrorists.
Poland has been a steadfast friend to the United States, sending troops to Iraq and Afghanistan and emerging as one of the few pro-American voices in Europe. But interviews with Polish officials suggest that Warsaw is skeptical about the idea of playing host to a missile defense shield to protect the U.S. from possible strikes by Iran and North Korea.
The plan would include 10 interceptor missiles based in Poland and a radar center in the Czech Republic.
The prospect has led Moscow, which opposes U.S.-backed military expansion in former Soviet bloc nations, to issue veiled threats that are reminiscent of those from the Cold War era. The matter also has underscored Poland's aging weapons systems and technological shortcomings for countering attacks.
The debate comes as Poles have grown disillusioned over the Iraq war and with Bush administration policies that many believe have isolated the U.S. and its allies. Poland is maturing as a nation and is less effusive these days about an America it had idealized for decades from the other side of the Berlin Wall, politicians and analysts say.
The coalition government of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski has said it probably would accept the U.S. proposal, although many officials in Warsaw and in other European capitals would prefer a wider system integrated with North Atlantic Treaty Organization defense plans. Washington also is asking Britain to house interceptor rockets, and European officials are concerned about angering Russia and touching off another arms race on the continent.
"We're open to an antimissile shield, but it must have a real impact on the protection of our own country," said Jedrzej Jedrych, a member of Parliament's national defense committee. "Installation of this system would make us a target not only for our neighbors, but also for terrorist organizations. We'd have to increase our security and ask for the U.S. to help us speed up the modernization of our military."
Poland's 800 antimissile and antiaircraft rockets are upgraded versions of Soviet-era hardware, and modernizing the arsenal could cost $1 billion.
Washington has been talking about the possibility of a shield for years. Formal negotiations with Warsaw and Prague, the Czech capital, are expected to begin soon, but a top U.S. general Thursday told reporters in Berlin that the Bush administration would consider merging the shield with NATO.
"I wouldn't be averse to that," said Air Force Lt. Gen. Henry Obering III, director of the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency.
Critics say the system, designed to knock down nuclear missiles fired at the United States, is elaborate, costly and unnecessary because so-called rogue states such as Iran don't have such offensive capabilities. Poland is concerned that the plan would spur Russia to upgrade and reconfigure troop placements and missile systems.
Few officials believe there is a likelihood of military confrontation with Moscow, but since the fall of communism Russia has grown agitated by the eastward expansion of NATO and the European Union. After Poland's recent purchase of American-made F-16s, for example, Russia moved new S-300 air defense systems into neighboring Belarus.
Russian President Vladimir V. Putin, who says the proposed shield threatens his country's security, has accused the U.S. of "pursuing world domination." His generals have hinted that Russia may withdraw from a 1987 treaty with the U.S. that limits medium-range nuclear missiles. They have also warned that Poland and the Czech Republic will fall within the sights of new Russian missiles if the two nations go along with the U.S. defense plan.
Such comments further strained relations between Moscow and Warsaw, which have been tested by Russia's dominance of oil and gas markets and Poland's EU membership and its support of democracy movements in Ukraine and other former Soviet republics. Over the last seven years, Poland has more than tripled its military budget to about $8 billion.
Janusz Zemke, a Polish Parliament member and a former deputy defense minister, said that if Russia shifted rockets to Belarus and the nearby Russian enclave of Kaliningrad, it could easily strike his country and the U.S. shield.
"But, really, this missile defense system is insignificant to Russia," Zemke said. "But Russia wants to turn this into a controversy to gain something. At home, they want to increase expenditures to buy new military systems. They need a reason for this. And internationally, Moscow has a tough time admitting that its influence is shrinking."
The debate over the shield also reflects how U.S. influence in Warsaw has diminished in recent years. Kaczynski's conservative government is a firm supporter of the Bush administration, a relationship that enhances Warsaw's stature within NATO. But more than 75% of Poles oppose their country's Iraq role, and about 55% are against the missile shield. The Self-Defense Party, a member of the coalition, wants the missile shield issue put to a nationwide referendum.
"Why should we support U.S. hegemony around the world?" said Filip Ilkowski, a member of Stop the War Initiative, a group opposed to the Iraq war and the missile defense system. "We should not be involved in the [United States'] military policies. If the U.S. attacks Iran, it would be legitimate in Iran's view to attack U.S. bases in Poland. In a way, it would begin a new Cold War for our region."
The change in tenor is rooted in many things, including Poland's emergence in the European Union and a perception by politicians and the public that their nation is underappreciated by the Bush administration. Warsaw has yet to see the significant construction and technological contracts it had hoped for from Washington for the rebuilding of Iraq. And Poles sometimes wait hours at the U.S. Embassy to apply for $100 visas; their country does not require visas for U.S. citizens.
"There's a lot of negative energy between the U.S. and Poland these days," said Lukasz Kulesa, an analyst with the Polish Institute of International Affairs. "The promise of Iraqi contracts did not materialize, and now we're being asked to do another favor for the U.S. It used to be that only the far left was critical of the U.S., but that attitude is slipping into the mainstream."
Speaking on a recent morning on topics ranging from eastern European politics to missile trajectory ranges, Kulesa echoed the pragmatism with which many Poles view their nation's relationship with America.
"Basically," he said, "we're demanding something from the U.S. The memories of the past are fading…. When it comes to business, it's business."
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