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From this site:

http://www.antiwar.com/utley/?articleid=9456
 
I have transcribed the following article. I'm not sure if it belongs specifically in this portion of the maessage board, but it may appear to have some pertinence to this area. If not, I happily stand corrected. It could also easily fit into the Religion discussion section.


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'Dual Covenant' Christians
Christian Zionists and the strangest alliance in history
by Jon Basil Utley

The major internal conflict for the strangest alliance in history is about what will happen to Jews who don't convert to evangelical Christianity. The Armageddonites, those 30 million Americans who happily see Mideast chaos as hastening their one-way trip to paradise, are being increasingly questioned about the fate of Jews whom they urge to help fulfill the prophecies.

Once their death wish agenda is realized, the end-of-the-worlders believe that Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims (of course), other Christians (apparently including Catholics and Orthodox), and all the rest of humanity will be killed. But the born-again will be "raptured" to Heaven. (See "The Brutal Christ of the Armageddonites.")

Now some enterprising Texans have "resolved" the big question. The Jews God kills will go to a parallel heaven, "their" kind of heaven, to enjoy eternity alongside the good Christians. The Jewish heaven will presumably be what "they" would like, perhaps different from the evangelical heaven, where there will be "no booze, no bars, and no need to mow the grass on one's lawn," according to a popular Gaither Singers song. (The fact that the Jewish faith has no afterlife at all similar to the Christian one is irrelevant, nor do the faithful Texans probably even know it.) It is called the "dual covenant theory" – the belief that Jews and Christians have separate deals with God. However, Muslims, Hindus, and others have no deal.

A Wall Street Journal piece described the dual covenant theory in an article about a Christian Zionist meeting in Washington two weeks ago. In particular it reported on Rev. John Hagee, who founded Christians United for Israel and organized the event. Now, Jerry Falwell and other evangelicals who once opposed the thesis have joined the Hagee group board of directors. They urge no peace concessions by Israel and, now, war with Iran.

The 3,500 delegates held a major rally in Washington attended by, among others, Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas), Senators Sam Brownback (R-Kans.) and Rick Santorum (R-Penn.), Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman, Israel's ambassador to the U.S., and other leading Zionists. As the Journal reports, "They see, and even sometimes seem to embrace, the notion of a global conflict between Islam and the Judeo-Christian West, just as do many zealous Muslims." (Protesters outside the meeting were led by Carol Moore, who long ago first brought media attention to the Waco and Weaver travesties.)

Interestingly, polls indicate that most Americans are nowhere near as pro-Israel as their elected representatives. Recent polls show strong majorities of Americans do not want the U.S. to intervene on Israel's behalf in its current military campaign.

There are many other strange facets to the Zionist-Evangelical alliance:

    * God needs Jews to gather in Israel for the fulfillment of His plans. To further this, the Christian Zionists collect money (from churchgoers and on TV programs) to pay for primarily Russian Jews to emigrate to Israel, because God can't end the world until most Jews have returned to the holy land. However, American Jews apparently can stay in America without hindering His agenda.
    * The great advantage of being "raptured" is that there is no Judgment Day. Everybody who is "born again" automatically goes to Heaven, their sins all forgiven, and no good works are necessary. But it must happen soon. If John Hagee, Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robertson should die before Armageddon happens, then God will handle their souls the ordinary way.
    * God loves the Jews, according to fundamentalist theology, but not if they work for peace. Pat Robertson explained that murdered Israeli leader Yitzhak Rabin was killed because he got in the way of God's plans for continued war. Robertson also blamed Ariel Sharon's recent stroke on his withdrawal from Gaza. Similarly, according to the Wall Street Journal, Hagee said that "calls for Israel to show restraint violate 'God's foreign policy statement' toward Jews." In May, 2003 Hagee and other evangelical leaders sent a letter to President Bush applauding the invasion of Iraq but complaining about the Israel-Palestine peace plan. They said it would be "morally reprehensible" for the U.S. to be "evenhanded."
    * Hardly any leader of the Christian Right publicly opposes the torture of prisoners of war (with the notable exception of Chuck Colson of Prison Fellowship). Perhaps predictably, many fundamentalists are passionate supporters of John Bolton, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, noted for symbolizing all that the rest of the world dislikes about America. Just war, rule of law, the Geneva Convention, charity to one's enemies – such concepts are all anathema to these Christians who long for the end of the world.
    * Millions of Arab Christians are certainly not loved by the God of the Armageddonites. In fact, Arab Christians don't seem to exist. Pat Robertson's 700 Club, for instance, refused to show a segment about Christian Arabs. Jerry Falwell's tours of Israel purposely avoided them, according to Grace Halsell, who traveled with Falwell's group and wrote a book about it. Robert Novak has written about the plight of Christians under Israeli rule and how almost no representative in Congress dares to speak up for them, except for Henry Hyde, who is retiring. The self-proclaimed "Christian" columnists and commentators on Fox News and the Washington Times op-ed page remain silent.

The White House has explained the nuances of God's plans to Armageddonites before. Last year, it sponsored a meeting with leading fundamentalist preachers to explain that Gaza was not part of the historical Judea and Samaria. Therefore, its spokesman argued, Israel's withdrawal of settlements would not interfere with God's plan to end the world.

It is a bit weird that we begin the 21st century with American foreign policy being made by religious fundamentalists who mirror some of their Muslim brethren in their hatred. And now they want to attack Iran, whatever the consequences for the world's oil supplies through the Straits of Hormuz. Never mind all the wisdom and experience, books and lectures of America's foreign policy establishment: State Department and CIA experts overseas, analysts at think tanks, the most brilliant thinkers in the nation might as well be whistling in the dark. George Bush has been asked if he believes that we are in the "end times." He refused to answer. He has said that God tells him what policies to pursue, presumably those now inflaming the Muslim world. Catholics and most other Christians, incidentally, do not believe the Armageddonites' scenario. Others believe God's prophecies already occurred in Biblical times.

And the preachers? Just in case the world does not end soon, Rev.Hagee has set aside several million dollars in trusts, money earned from his prophecies and preaching. The San Antonio Express News reported on the IRS filings of his Global Evangelism Television network. After their report, Hagee re-registered the fundraising network as a church, which does not need to show its IRS filings.



Perhaps somebody could help me out; I seem to fail to find these Zionistic sentiments anywhere in Jesus's Sermon on the Mount.

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Hi Sarge.

Since your article has been getting a "medium" amount of views (over 500 as of now) in this Zionism forum, I'd say that it properly belongs here even though it involves religion, being that "Christian Zionism" has been a facilitating factor in getting and keeping pro-Israel/pro-War politicians into American Federal offices.

The most famous of the so-called "Christian Right-wingers" have been and are mainly Protestant Fundamentalist evangelists with T-V and Radio ministries, and they have been responsible for raising campaign-contributions for the same candidates who've been receiving AIPAC support, while the Catholic Church has been publicly "non-committal" in these regards.

However, and probably too late in the march toward WWIII, the Catholic Church is finally coming out against this political partnership between Zionists and Christians, i.e.; this Reuters report (My emphasis):
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The Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083100903.html

Holy Land churches attack Christian Zionism

By Matthew Tostevin
Reuters
Thursday, August 31, 2006; 1:53 PM


JERUSALEM (Reuters) - The Vatican's envoy in the Holy Land and bishops from three other churches have launched a rare joint attack on the Christian Zionist movement, accusing it of promoting "racial exclusivity and perpetual war."

Christian Zionists
form a growing part of the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, the Jewish state's main ally. They believe the return of Jews to the Holy Land and establishment of Israel are proof of God's promises to biblical patriarchs.

Churches in the Middle East often appear closer to the Palestinians, whose Christian minority makes up a substantial portion of their clergy in the region.

The "Jerusalem Declaration on Christian Zionism" was signed by Latin Patriarch Michel Sabbah, a Palestinian, and by bishops of the Episcopal, Evangelical Lutheran and Syrian Orthodox Churches in Jerusalem.

Many Christian Zionists are evangelical Protestants, and the declaration is a sign of a growing struggle between the groups.

"The Christian Zionist programme provides a world view where the Gospel is identified with the ideology of empire, colonialism and militarism," said the declaration, accusing Christian Zionists of hurting hopes for Middle East peace.

"We reject the teachings of Christian Zionism that facilitate and support these policies as they advance racial exclusivity and perpetual war," the declaration added.

The three main Christian Zionist groups in Jerusalem said in a statement that they were concerned at the declaration's "inflammatory language" and that it was far from the truth.

Christian Zionists
stress Christianity's Jewish roots. Some back the movement to settle the occupied West Bank, the cradle of Jewish civilization, which Palestinians want as part of an independent state.

INFLAMMATORY

"We pray for peace. But we note with sadness that the present Palestinian government is totally dedicated to the destruction of Israel," the Christian Zionist groups said in their statement, referring to the governing Palestinian Islamist group Hamas.

The prospect of Middle East peace talks has looked even more unlikely since Hamas's election victory in January. The group is formally dedicated to destroying Israel.

"The problem in the region is not as simple as the Jerusalem Declaration makes out," the Christian Zionists' statement said.

Some Christian Zionists believe that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land will bring about the end of the world and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Some also believe Jews themselves will have to become Christians or perish.

The Christian Zionist groups in Jerusalem said they had no "thirst for Armageddon" and do not base their theological position on "end time prophecy." They called for dialogue with the clerics behind the declaration that condemned them.

Christian Zionism is strongest in the United States, where support is much higher than in Europe or other parts of the world for Israel in its conflicts with the Palestinians and in its recent war with Hizbollah guerrillas in Lebanon.

James Rudin, senior advisor on inter-religious affairs for the American Jewish Committee in New York, said there are "millions and millions of American Christians" who support Israel but who do not consider themselves Zionists.

He said they represent a core of support far larger than those who base their backing of Israel on the Bible.

(Additional reporting by Tom Heneghan in Paris and Mike Conlon in Chicago)
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From the thread at
http://com3.runboard.com/btheowlsnest.fthemiddleeastwars.t36
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Joseph,

I'd read the same article when Chorny re-posted it from Counterpunch, and I wholeheartedly agree that it "neatly wraps up" the true and pertinent facts of Israel's pattern of U.S.-facilitated deceptions.

Cook might have included one of the "saws" that you yourself used to repeat quite often, especially before I joined forces with you (and that you might have dropped in deference to me), but which is nonetheless true in the cases of "Talmudic" Jews, to wit (paraphrased);

"The Jew will keep shouting 'Stop beating me up!' all the while that he is beating-up someone smaller and weaker."

For future reference, I am not personally offended by this apparently "anti-Semitic slur" because, like the overwhelming majority of Orthodox Judaists, I reject the Talmud as any sort of a "Holy" book, like I also reject, and am appalled by, the fictitious "Protocols of the Elders of Zion".

The Talmud was put together nearly 200 years A.D., by a group of fanatical rabbis who despised Gentiles, and who privately "ill-interpreted" the Torah which is the actual Sacred Scripture from which Orthodox rabbis are required to teach in the synagogues during services, and which constitute the first five "books" of the Judeo-Christian Bible, from which Jesus Christ himself had preached and taught in his times.

In retrospect, I should have separately posted this latter information in the "Religion/Philosophy/Ideology" forum, or at least in Sarge's thread in the "Zionism" forum; "Raging Christian Zionists" at
http://com3.runboard.com/btheowlsnest.fthezionistpoliticalagenda.t26

I might do so now, with cross-reference to this thread, since it "fits in" at all three places.

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Sarge, Joseph, or Aaron,

How does the flap created by the Pope's unfortunate comments about Islam figure into this "religious aspect" of the wars?

I'm sure that everyone on the internet has read about it by now, so I'll just point to this one article for reference.

"Vatican tries to calm Pope row"

It's at Reuters.com
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/home.aspx


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insider3 wrote:

Sarge, Joseph, or Aaron,

How does the flap created by the Pope's unfortunate comments about Islam figure into this "religious aspect" of the wars?

I'm sure that everyone on the internet has read about it by now, so I'll just point to this one article for reference.

"Vatican tries to calm Pope row"

It's at Reuters.com
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/home.aspx


Bob




Good morning Bob.

For starters, I'll remind or inform everyone that there has been an ongoing "war" (mostly one-sided) between "fundy" Protestants and the Catholic Church, with the former equating the Vatican to "Rome" as it is vilified especially in the Apocalypse ("Book of Revelation").

So I'm quite sure that most of the Protestant Christians, including GWB, will distance themselves from the Pope's comments as well as the deadly consequences of them.

But, this highlights the folly of Bush's following the advice/suggestions/recommendations of the Atheistic and/or Talmudist Jews in the political Zionist movement, which were to make "Arabs" and "Muslims" synonymous in the minds of the American Public.

As Joseph and I have stressed all along, not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews. But also, not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Muslims are Arabs, i.e.; Turkey is not an Arab State, but it is a Muslim State. African-Americans are not Arabic, but a considerably high percentage of them have abandoned Christianity in favor of Islam.

Unlike Orthodox Judaists, "Talmudic" Jews consider both Christians and Muslims as their deadly enemies in the fight for control over the minds of "impressionable" men.

While we truly religious Orthodox Judaists believe that it is our destiny to "inherit" dominion over the world in accordance with the prophecies in the Holy Scriptures, the ethnic, but pseudo-religious and atheistic Zionist Jews believe that they can forcefully bring about the same destiny before its time.

Therefore, it is definitely in the best interests of the political Zionists for Christians and Muslims to be "at each others' throats" and decreasing each others' numbers, while Jews in general remain increasingly self-defensive and officially-protected against any and all sorts of criticism or attacks by any Gentiles in all countries outside of the Middle East.

Finally, let me add these distinctions between Zion and Zionism, from the American Heritage Dictionary.

Zion n. 1. a. The historic land of Israel as a symbol of the Jewish people. b. The Jewish people; Israel. 2. A place or religious community regarded as sacredly devoted to God. 3. An idealized, harmonious community; utopia.

Zionism n. 1. An organized movement of world Jewry that arose in Europe in the late 19th century with the aim of reconstituting a Jewish state in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the development and support of the state of Israel.

Aaron

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Good morning from me also, Bob.

Aaron's reply nicely covered the issue as I see it.

I'll add that not all Christians are Catholics, as was implied but not stated by Aaron, and, speaking for myself, not all believers in God and praisers of Jesus' philosophy and words are "Christian" by religious affiliation or Church-membership.

To Aaron's true observation; "...Jews in general remain increasingly self-defensive and officially-protected against any and all sorts of criticism or attacks by any Gentiles in all countries outside of the Middle East," I'll add this axiom:

"In 'free societies,' anyone who wants may write, and publish, works that attack Christianity; assail the "historical revisionism" of Afro-centrism; deconstruct the myths of Hinduism; defame the Pope; disdain Republican, Democratic, communist, or any other ideology; emblazon the whole of Islam as a hotbed for irrational mania and terrorism; write entire volumes about the alleged worldwide Japanese economic "conspiracy"; and vilify the entirety of the nebulous entity known as the "white establishment" and anyone dictated by skin color to be within it. But, curiously, in the vast expanse of deconstructive engines of all and everything, one cannot criticize the sacrosanct domain of Jewish history, politics, and identity, unless the critic is willing to be systematically marginalized in all walks of life, prepared to be tarnished and branded as a contemptible hate-filled "anti-Semite," risk losing her or her job, and be categorically lumped into mainstream society's moral and intellectual garbage dump reserved for the likes of the Nazis and Ku Klux Klan."

Sarge might have more to say about this.

Joseph



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Here's a fresh, nicely-done article that I consider worthy of reading by especially "Raging Christian Zionists" (as Sarge identified them).

It's approaching 2AM here, and I was only in the process of getting sleepy again after being awakened from sound slumber by cats fighting near our bedroom window, so I'll quickly post this article verbatim before going back to bed.

Joseph
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March 26, 2007

The One Who Attacks

God Does Not Love the Aggressor

By DIANE CHRISTIAN

The line "God does not love aggressors" is from the Koran and begins "Fight for the sake of God those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. God does not love aggressors." It is sometimes cited as the true Islamic stance, to defend Islam against jihadist-crazed stereotyping. It forbids attacking first. Christ's counsel is more radical - it is not even to answer or resist evil with evil. Christ does not say fight only if attacked. He says if attacked, don't fight.

Christians historically have often been jihadis, however. They have rationalized just wars as wars of defense. They have played ruthless and merciless warriors. President Bush who presents himself as a Christian justifies even preemptive war. You don't have to wait for an attack - an enemy's intentions or desires to kill you license you to kill him first. You can say you are the victim of the enemy's intent to strike you, and you can 'return' that intended violence by physical war. Your first physical stroke 'answers' the enemy's first real or imagined mental stroke. Thereby you do not attack them first; you are not the aggressor. This was the emotional calculus in saying Iraq menaced us with a mushroom cloud, and licensed our invasion. Saddam's weapons of mass destruction were aimed at us, intending to atomize us. We then also blurred that Iraq invasion, calling it an answer to 9/11. We were struck, we must strike. The 9/11 attack didn't match the Iraq invasion as Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but that didn't matter for war mongering; it was the principle of the thing. What counts is the righteous license to kill.

Leni Riefenstahl in the opening of her film Triumph of the Will says Germany was brought low, humiliated, wounded in World War I.. She limns the rise of Hitler and Naziism as resurrection from that humiliation and suffering. Revenge rationalizes the will to fight as righteous. Riefenstahl depicts Hitler as a messiah, descending from the clouds to rouse and lead the people in a righteous fight to rebuild German honor and power. The uniformed men marching in 1934 with shovels (because they weren't allowed arms) look to most people like soldiers with rifles. Metaphorically they were, forging plowshares into arms. German belt buckles in World War I and World War II said "Gott mit uns" - God with us.

Does George Bush's God love aggressors? I suspect so. I think he loves a horseman warrior Christ fashioned out of the Apocalypse, not the pacifist crucified Christ of the Gospels. Texts cannot save us from zealots who love war more than words.

Osama bin Laden thinks he's not an aggressor. George Bush thinks he's not an aggressor. They think they are religious warriors - innocent, inspired, righteous. Each names the other as the aggressor their God does not love. Each foments terrible violence in revenge and invokes God as judge and licenser.

The aggressor whom God does not love is in the eye of the religious warrior, then at the receiving end of his bombs and shrapnel. God is the mask and shield of the war game, the big rationalization, the paradox that hides in a cloud of mystery hatred, violence, greed, and death.

Allah may well not love the aggressor but he offers himself as justification for revenge: "fight for the sake of God those that fight against you." This version of God is tribal, national, familiar. Gott mit uns. George Bush's god told him to smite he said. His is not the pacifist Christ forbidding the return of violence.

Perhaps in figuring out the fields of righteous killers, the aggressor might better be identified not as enemy but as action. The aggressor is the one who attacks.


Diane Christian is SUNY Distinguished Teaching Professor at University at Buffalo and author of the new book Blood Sacrifice. She can be reached at: engdc@acsu.buffalo.edu

Source: http://counterpunch.com/christian03262007.html
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