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GWB calls Constitution "just a goddammed piece of paper"
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http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml
The Rant
Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddammed piece of paper'
By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 9, 2005, 07:53
Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.
Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.
GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.
“I don’t give a goddam,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”
“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”
“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddammed piece of paper!”
I’ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution “a *******ed piece of paper.”
And, to the Bush Administration, the Constitution of the United States is little more than toilet paper stained from all the s**t that this group of power-mad despots have dumped on the freedoms that “goddammed piece of paper” used to guarantee.
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel, wrote that the “Constitution is an outdated document.”
Put aside, for a moment, political affiliation or personal beliefs. It doesn’t matter if you are a Democrat, Republican or Independent. It doesn’t matter if you support the invasion or Iraq or not. Despite our differences, the Constitution has stood for two centuries as the defining document of our government, the final source to determine – in the end – if something is legal or right.
Every federal official – including the President – who takes an oath of office swears to “uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says he cringes when someone calls the Constitution a “living document.”
“"Oh, how I hate the phrase we have—a 'living document,’” Scalia says. “We now have a Constitution that means whatever we want it to mean. The Constitution is not a living organism, for Pete's sake.”
As a judge, Scalia says, “I don't have to prove that the Constitution is perfect; I just have to prove that it's better than anything else.”
President Bush has proposed seven amendments to the Constitution over the last five years, including a controversial amendment to define marriage as a “union between a man and woman.” Members of Congress have proposed some 11,000 amendments over the last decade, ranging from repeal of the right to bear arms to a Constitutional ban on abortion.
Scalia says the danger of tinkering with the Constitution comes from a loss of rights.
“We can take away rights just as we can grant new ones,” Scalia warns. “Don't think that it's a one-way street.”
And don’t buy the White House hype that the USA Patriot Act is a necessary tool to fight terrorism. It is a dangerous law that infringes on the rights of every American citizen and, as one brave aide told President Bush, something that undermines the Constitution of the United States.
But why should Bush care? After all, the Constitution is just “a goddammed piece of paper.”
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The mentioned oath, to which also every member of the U.S. Military swears, is to upholdand defend the Constitution against its enemies foreign and domestic.
Joseph
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Re: GWB calls Constitution "just a goddammed piece of paper"
Americans have a habit of shooting Presidents for any number of reasons. I am actually surprised this one hasn't been shot by now.
Although since 9/11 his policies and actions have run America on fear, so that is possably one answer.
Really though, I cannot understand how this tribe in Washington keeps getting away with everything they do.
They are very ****y now.
Tell so many of the dangers to their freedoms and as usual we are simply anti American, or extremists or anything else they feel like shouting in the moment.
Unlike you Joe, I am not an American and I dont care if Americans lose their rights.
Bad wording really, but I have no steak in it.
I do however still have family there. Quite a bit of family.
I dont want them losing rights because they/Americans have become either too afraid to do anything ot too aloof, too unthinking.
After fighting and warning Americans since 9/11 and getting nothing but insults back, I've become hardened and uncaring about the State of America today. Not completely, but certainly to a large degree.
It just seems to me that globally, more people outside America worry about the state of America then do Americans today. Hopefully Americans dont wake up one morning and find suddenly that it's too late to worry.
That crew in Washington needs to suffer through their own death penalty that Bush seems to like so much.
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quote:
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Americans have a habit of shooting Presidents for any number of reasons. I am actually surprised this one hasn't been shot by now.
Although since 9/11 his policies and actions have run America on fear, so that is possably one answer.
Really though, I cannot understand how this tribe in Washington keeps getting away with everything they do.
They are very ****y now.
Tell so many of the dangers to their freedoms and as usual we are simply anti American, or extremists or anything else they feel like shouting in the moment.
Unlike you Joe, I am not an American and I dont care if Americans lose their rights.
Bad wording really, but I have no steak in it.
I do however still have family there. Quite a bit of family.
I dont want them losing rights because they/Americans have become either too afraid to do anything ot too aloof, too unthinking.
After fighting and warning Americans since 9/11 and getting nothing but insults back, I've become hardened and uncaring about the State of America today. Not completely, but certainly to a large degree.
It just seems to me that globally, more people outside America worry about the state of America then do Americans today. Hopefully Americans dont wake up one morning and find suddenly that it's too late to worry.
That crew in Washington needs to suffer through their own death penalty that Bush seems to like so much.

Well owl, the assassination of Bush would make Cheney the president, and all plans and schemes would continue along their present paths.
But please, don't place the blame and fault on "We the People" of America, even though some unknown and unknowable number of us had supposedly endorsed and supported the elections and re-elections of our "leaders" along with their policies.
This "hot off the press" post by me should explain my meaning:
http://p209.ezboard.com/fthefulltruthforum60735frm5.showMessage?topicID=157.topic
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GWB might be THE LAST President of the USA
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If you don't mind a bit of depressing, cynical pragmatism, there is the possibility that George W. Bush will be the last President of the United States.
The "almost-best case scenario" would be that the AIPAC-obligated and Republican-dominated Congress amends the Constitution to repeal the Two-terms limit, and Bush gets always re-elected via Elections Process manipulation and/or bribery of Supreme Court Justices (as happened in the Bush/Gore contest), and that he "miraculously" manages to avert the formal bankruptcy of America and/or the un-winnable World War Three until the final few years of his own (hopefully long) lifetime, although he will then lead the coalition of only America, Britain and Israel, against all of the Eastern nations, which can only result in the external military abolishment of the United States of America (the Federal government).
The "worst case scenario" would be that Bush follows the "suggestions/recommendations/dictates/agenda" of his overwhelmingly pro-Zionism Jewish "handlers," and plunges America into the inevitable World War immediately, which would bring about the same results as described in the "almost-best case scenario".
The "best case scenario," which is now the most unlikely, would be that the U.S. Military internally overthrows via a coup d'état the standing Federal government, on the basis that it has become the domestic enemy of the Constitution, and that it imposes Martial Law until such time as a whole new batch of civilians become unquestionably raised up by their constituencies via unquestionably fair and legitimate elections. This would be the only way to both preserve the Constitutional Republic and its Constitution and "charge off" the debts that had been accrued by the former batch of civilian politicians. This alone is the scenario that was envisioned by and provided for by the authors of the U.S. Constitution.
The "impossible scenario" would be that "We the People" even talk about Sedition (conduct or language inciting rebellion against the authority of a state). This is not only severely punishable by legitimate laws, but it also mandates that the U.S. Military, along with every State and local Law-enforcement agency, takes any and all measures (including deadly force) to put down Insurrection (the act or an instance of open revolt against civil authority or a constituted government).
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Re: GWB calls Constitution "just a goddammed piece of paper"
Yeah, that concern of Bush becoming permanent leader has been around since shortly after 9/11.
I believe that intent may have been there, but it has been talked about online and by people so much now that it is blatently in the open now. I think a new plan is in the offing now. Bush will do his term and new leaders that are completely controlled will still be inplaced for a while yet.
Control is the real aim, and as long as control can easily be maintained in the present system, the real powers to be will stay the norm so as not to upset the population more then need be.
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Re: GWB calls Constitution "just a goddammed piece of paper"
When I say he might be the last President, I mean that in terms of the United States becoming "un-glued" before the next elections.
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Re: GWB calls Constitution "just a goddammed piece of paper"
Re: the first entry in this thread, it's time for Bush's impeachment, for that alone. It disgusts me that this hack politician, Bush, should trample on the same piece of paper, that has been defended by the blood of many people, and was written by the most gifted group of individuals in more modern times.
It might be interesting to see what Justice Antonin Scalia thinks about Bush's trashy declaration, because we can recall that Scalia resented Congressional statements that the Constitution was a living document. Now he has heard Bush call the Constitution a g-d- piece of paper. I'll bet that Scalia probably went into convulsions over Bush's condemnation. Of course, Scalia was not about to tackle the president in public.
Bush's upchuck about that little paper is likely a Freudian slip, if I might use that term, but a highly revealing one at that. Should we assume that everyone in Congress and the White House thinks that the Constitution has successfully been neutered? Between both the "living" and "g-d-" Constitution, there is plenty of room
to hold the supposition that this grand document is dead in the practice of an alternative structure that is based solely on the establishment of a dictatorial power.
To this end, we can easily derive that the destruction of the substance of America has been and will continue to be demolished like some former buildings that come to mind. By this, I can include decades of America constantly doing what is in its worst interest. It is difficult to think of any recent wise decision made at the national level by anybody. That sublime document that restricted governmental actions and fostered human freedom, has been abducted by opportunists who seek to restrict human freedom and promote governmental aggressiveness.
It all begs the question: Why have an America at all, if it is to be just another nation. Certainly we are a nation among others, but our start was based on the limiting of the power of government. It reminds me of drill instruction on a marching pad, wherein, airmen are being held back, in half-step marching, to allow select other airmen to catch up with the main squadron. Is Bush, et al, keeping us in half-step while our nation's substance is being retarded for the convenience of others.
I would say that economically and spiritually, this nation is being stifled and harmed by those who have their own goals for our future. Two basic examples of this would be our monetary and economic structure, and our media. Both these institutions are draining the external and internal wealth of the American people. A dispirited and poor people can do very little to preserve their liberties and can do little to repel the abridgements of these liberties.
With Bush's condemnation of the Constitution, all other abolition of liberty is more than congruent or equal to what we have shown in this forum.
--USAFsarge
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It is sad when the person leading the country doesnt even respect the very papers that define that country.
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The president, like everyone else in public service, is sworn under oath to defend an uphold that document he apparently has no genuine respect for.
The episode says much for W's character, but is it verifiable?
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quote: puckatawk wrote:
The president, like everyone else in public service, is sworn under oath to defend an uphold that document he apparently has no genuine respect for.
The episode says much for W's character, but is it verifiable?
Yes on both counts, puck.
The episode was verified by more than 3 persons who were witness to it, and the White House didn't even attempt to dispute it, hoping that the story would die away in the "American" News Media and apparently it has.
As Sarge can attest, the oath binds every public office-holder, and each member of the Military, to both uphold and defend the Constitution against its enemies foreign and domestic.
But, the only force on earth that could "take out" an administration that has become clearly domestic enemies of the Constitution is the U.S. Military.
Unfortunately, the "top brass" in each branch of the Military are now (since at least Desert Storm) more politicians than strategists, and more "pushers" than leaders, i.e.; Generals Schwarzkopf and Powell.
Back in the 1980's, a wholly different Joint Chiefs of Staff had quietly readied forces to "take out" all of the Civilian politicians at the Federal level, when there was a great hue and cry by the crooks to call a Constitutional Convention for the duplicitous reason of adding a "Balanced Budget" Amendment to it. However, the laws and rules state that once a Constitutional Convention convenes, regardless of its original intent, the conventioners may do as they wish to the Constitution, including entirely scrapping it. My "slightly retroactive" information, from old friends who were then still in Naval Intelligence, was that there would have been a military coup d'état if the convention proceeded as planned, since the Military had "gotten wind" of the plan which was to scrap and re-write the Constitution, to permanently ensconce the then current incumbent office-holders. However, the politicians then "got wind" of the plan by the Military, and quickly de-fused the whole situation by taking a Voice Vote in both Houses of Congress as to whether or not the Federal Government (themselves) should be restrained from Deficit Spending. The proposal lost in both Houses, and the subject of "Balanced Budget" has not arisen since.
But like I said, those were different Chiefs in different times.
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quote: USAFsarge wrote:
Re: the first entry in this thread, it's time for Bush's impeachment, for that alone. It disgusts me that this hack politician, Bush, should trample on the same piece of paper, that has been defended by the blood of many people, and was written by the most gifted group of individuals in more modern times.
It might be interesting to see what Justice Antonin Scalia thinks about Bush's trashy declaration, because we can recall that Scalia resented Congressional statements that the Constitution was a living document. Now he has heard Bush call the Constitution a g-d- piece of paper. I'll bet that Scalia probably went into convulsions over Bush's condemnation. Of course, Scalia was not about to tackle the president in public.
Bush's upchuck about that little paper is likely a Freudian slip, if I might use that term, but a highly revealing one at that. Should we assume that everyone in Congress and the White House thinks that the Constitution has successfully been neutered? Between both the "living" and "g-d-" Constitution, there is plenty of room
to hold the supposition that this grand document is dead in the practice of an alternative structure that is based solely on the establishment of a dictatorial power.
To this end, we can easily derive that the destruction of the substance of America has been and will continue to be demolished like some former buildings that come to mind. By this, I can include decades of America constantly doing what is in its worst interest. It is difficult to think of any recent wise decision made at the national level by anybody. That sublime document that restricted governmental actions and fostered human freedom, has been abducted by opportunists who seek to restrict human freedom and promote governmental aggressiveness.
It all begs the question: Why have an America at all, if it is to be just another nation. Certainly we are a nation among others, but our start was based on the limiting of the power of government. It reminds me of drill instruction on a marching pad, wherein, airmen are being held back, in half-step marching, to allow select other airmen to catch up with the main squadron. Is Bush, et al, keeping us in half-step while our nation's substance is being retarded for the convenience of others.
I would say that economically and spiritually, this nation is being stifled and harmed by those who have their own goals for our future. Two basic examples of this would be our monetary and economic structure, and our media. Both these institutions are draining the external and internal wealth of the American people. A dispirited and poor people can do very little to preserve their liberties and can do little to repel the abridgements of these liberties.
With Bush's condemnation of the Constitution, all other abolition of liberty is more than congruent or equal to what we have shown in this forum.
--USAFsarge
As usual, Sarge, you have a good grasp on the overall situation as it stands.
However, there would be even less of a chance for Bush's impeachment than there was for Clinton's. Think about it.
BTW, I never considered it as "coincidental" that Monica Lewinsky (a Jewish girl but not a religious one) had so quickly and surely gotten so intimate with Clinton. Think about this also.
If there were an apropos theme song for these immediate times in America, it would be; "It's Too Late, Baby".
<Hand salute>
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