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De-fusing modern "Epicureans"
Joseph,
I posted this in a different board, to a Christian who was replying to this quoted observation by Epicurus:
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
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As a Judeo-Christian, you were taught that our same and only God grants to all men "Free Will," which means we are all free to choose between doing Good or doing Evil, and that God does not ever act to directly change anyone's mind.
Unlike the long-defunct sect of Sadducees in our base religion, which was the base religion of Jesus, you were also taught and believe that there is an Afterlife, in which the good men will be rewarded and the evil men will be punished.
Epicurus was not a man of religion or a believer in God. He was an atheistic philosopher who taught that "physical/sensual/emotional happiness and the avoidance of pain" was the highest form of Goodness in the mortal life. IOW, Hedonism according to this definition;
n. 1. Pursuit of or devotion to pleasure, especially to the pleasures of the senses. 2. Philosophy The ethical doctrine holding that only what is pleasant or has pleasant consequences is intrinsically good. 3. Psychology The doctrine holding that behavior is motivated by the desire for pleasure and the avoidance of pain.
This is why some of the modern-day Hedonists embrace and "quote" Epicurus as their "god," just like the ancient practitioners of Idolatry had both invented and embraced the baal "Moloch" as theirs.
If you believe in the concept of "Heaven," you can bet your soul that there won't be any Atheists, Hedonists or Idolaters there, and that it would have been by their own choice in their Free Wills that they were excluded.
Jewish/Judaist Aaron for Jewish/Judaist Aaron
(The non-religious philosopher and scholar, Joseph Sarandos, also a Greek, speaks eloquently and reasonably for himself in these regards, and he does not deny, discount, ignore, or factually disagree with our teachings and intuitive beliefs about the existence, works, role, purposes and expectations of our Creator)
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3/15/2006, 9:43 am
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Joseph Sarandos
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Re: De-fusing modern "Epicureans"
By George, Aaron, you've got it exactly right!
Now as to whether or not it will be interpreted exactly right, that's a different story.
In fact, the so-called Atheists (actually anti-Moralists) are as much and more "religious" as you Judaists and Christians are, and they expend far more effort toward proselytizing their duplicitous "beliefs" than all of the Judaists and Christians in the internet forums combined.
Yes, "Atheism" is indeed a religion, i.e. this description in the American Heritage Dictionary (and elswhere):
Religion n. 4. A cause, a principle, or an activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
Under that same definition, I guess I could also be classified as a religious man, but the nut-cases refer to me as "religious" as if Science-based and History-based acceptance of God as the Creator and the source of Morality is some sort of "cultism". But, they're only fooling themselves and other fools like them.
While I obviously diverge from both "the Theory of Evolution" and the Scriptural "Stories of Creation," as both of them come to us after thousands of years of various interpretations and revisions by Men in their respective times, my original intent to scientifically dis-prove God had resulted instead in my utilization of current scientific knowledge to prove that there had to be and has to be God (by any Man-given appellation), as the source of Creation and Morality.
The "funny" thing is that only "Atheists and Evolutionists" strongly and continually object to and futilely attempt to refute my original hypotheses, which is obviously because only their religions are threatened by these proved and provable truths.
Joseph
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3/15/2006, 4:39 pm
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