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Does God need to speak to humans, or prove His existence to humans?
1. If there is God, and he (she/it/whatever) created this world, then this creative entity must have had a purpose for it.
2. Whatever God's exact purpose might be, this much of it can be figured out through History, Science and Logic as they are today:
A. The irresistible common goal of mankind is to continually progress toward the attainment of Knowledge -- knowledge about everything in the entire universe.
B. Whatever the total amount of attainable Knowledge might be, it is for certain that it is a finite amount, i.e.; everything about the world has existed since the start of the world, but has been learned by Man through discovery rather than invention.
C. Because true knowledge can only build upon true knowledge, then "Progress" has amounted to a series of discoveries of true facts that have always been here to discover, i.e.; Computers could not have come into being before the discovery and true understanding of Magnetism, Basic Electricity and Electron-flow.
D. There has been MORE true knowledge -- about ALL things -- attained by Man in only the past century than had been gained in the balance of history, which means that the more true knowledge that is gained, the faster can more true knowledge be added to it.
E. The Physical world is Perpetual, meaning that it goes on by itself without "maintenance" by God, and that it will last until its purpose is served.
Like other Life-forms, the species of Man is Self-reproductive, meaning that God does not separately create each member of each new generation, but that he had created only the original prototypes.
F. It is a proven fact that the average native intelligence of each successive generation of Man has been greater than the average native intelligence of each previous generation.
Therefore, because TIME is infinite, GOD is infinite with respect to Man, THE WORLD is at least perpetual if not infinite, LIFE is self-reproductive, but TRUE KNOWLEDGE IS FINITE, then it can only be concluded that ALL true knowledge will EVENTUALLY be obtained by Man.
Now, "PERFECTION" means to not only have the true answers to ALL possible questions (be omniscient), but to ALSO know and understand every consequence of every action, so that NO MISTAKES CAN BE MADE, and that ALL knowledge is put to ONLY its best uses -- which translates to PERFECT WISDOM.
So, the only logical conclusion to be drawn from all of this is that the CREATOR entity had intended that MANKIND -- or more specifically THE SPIRITS that are entrapped within men -- must and will reach perfection in the physical world, but that this will happen through trial and error, so that only the bloodline-descents from individuals who had preserved their equal opportunity to be genetically represented in the final generation will have so reached that generation.
How MANY will make it? Who knows and who cares? How many of the half-billion spermatozoa in a single ejaculation reach and fertilize an ova? What happens to the REST? Who knows and who cares? How many "Gods" are there? Who knows and who cares? The ONLY God that is of any importance or consequence to US is the one who CREATED this "testing and proving ground" for only US!
So, definitely NO; God did not, does not, and has no reason to converse with ANY humans. All that he had to "say" to us, he had "pre-programmed into our "BIOS," so to speak, just as he had programmed every other Life-form with ALL of the basic instructions and respective intelligence as would be needed to LEARN MORE while surviving, recreating, and performing their INTENDED PURPOSES in the world.
Now, does any of the above sound "RELIGIOUS" or "SUPERSTITIOUS"?
Please excuse all of the "SHOUTS" and bold-facings. I just didn't want for anybody to "gloss past" any of the important points I was making. My fingers are 68 years old, so I don't want to waste what's left of their useful life. LOL
Joseph
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3/14/2006, 11:44 am
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Re: Does God need to speak to humans, or prove His existence to humans?
To put it poetically:
Truth
By Joseph Sarandos
August 12, 2001
Truth, like God, does not require that it be believed,
and does not change according to the way it is conceived.
The Truths are always absolute, regardless of how seen,
and irrespective of opinions that lie in between.
The Truth does not assert itself upon the human mind,
except to self-enforce its laws, as violators find.
The Truth does not reveal itself, but neither does it hide.
It can be either taken up or lightly brushed aside.
It lies, with patience infinite, awaiting to be found,
in pieces that will fit together in a mind that's sound,
requiring no speculation, faith, or rhetoric,
but only Logic as the glue to make the pieces stick.
The Truth builds like a pyramid and not a level plane;
the wider at its base, the higher level it can gain.
As Knowledge builds on Knowledge, more is gained from year to year,
but Progress can't be measured by how tall it might appear.
Our pyramid of Truthful Knowledge has arisen fast,
allowing us to shed the toils and labors of the past
through scientific marvels and advanced technology
as were beyond the scope of Man until this century.
And yet, alas, there is less Wisdom than there was before;
less Understanding of the reasons that this world is for,
less putting to the best of uses Knowledge that was gained,
and even more of mysteries that cannot be explained.
We are not less, but more dependent on materials,
unable to survive as do the lower animals.
We need our drugs and medicines, our electricity,
our food and water as provided artificially.
The greatest of our cities could be easily destroyed,
along with all the pleasures that are there to be enjoyed,
by just the sudden ending of electric power plants
as could be brought about by simple change of circumstance.
So there is no security that what we have will last,
or that we will live better lives than people of the past,
or that there'll be enough of even base necessities,
should we become deprived of artificialities.
Our pyramid of knowledge has already grown too tall,
upon a base that has remained too porous and too small,
so cannot grow much higher before tumbling in a heap
with little worth the salvage, with but memories to keep.
There is but one solution, but one remedy at hand,
if what we've built already can be made to freely stand,
and that is to increase the base of this great pyramid
by finding all the ancient Truths that Ignorance had hid.
To know where we are headed, we must know where we have been
and why our journey toward perfection did so slow begin.
We have to learn why it has taken six millennia
before the start of Progress even lacking stamina.
We have to learn the Source of every Crime and every Sin
that was not in the world when God had made it all begin.
We have to find the Cause of every Symptom that we share,
and Remedy those causes while yet there is time to spare.
We're caught into repeating patterns of futility,
perpetuating old mistakes against Morality,
because we've been misled by men with Pride and Vanity,
but not attendant Wisdom in their false authority.
There are no men "in touch with God" who walk upon this Earth;
no Race or Individual of less or greater worth,
but only those who falsely claim to represent God's will,
who share the blame that ancient Truths are lost or hidden still.
Religions have not set us free, but bound us tighter yet
to ancient Superstitions such as cause our minds to fret,
while emptying our pockets in return for homilies
and promises of Heaven for the faithful inductees.
There is no true religion but the trust and fear of God;
the rest were started by mere men who deigned to work the sod
or labor for their livelihoods beneath their dignity,
so took the name of God in vain, which means in vanity.
Dear Jesus warned against such men, in words he did not mince,
and made it clear that he was neither God, a Lord, or Prince.
But after he was dead and gone, a Church assumed his name,
and carried forth the Judaist lies by teaching men the same.
The Christians, like the Jews before, and like the Pagans did,
increased their wealth and stature while the Truths of God stayed hid.
They also killed the Heretics who dared to disagree,
pretending God's direction under God's authority.
Our God is neither jealous, wrathful, nor of vanity.
He does not want or need our worship sacrificially.
He only wants for Man to reach perfection morally
before we reach the afterlife that only God can see.
The longer that we tarry here, the harder will it be
to carry forth our genes and bloodlines individually.
No man can reach perfection until everything is known,
and no one Race can reach that end exclusively alone.
The Final Generation will know everything there is,
and so will have achieved the Perfect Wisdom that's now His.
What happens next is up to God, and not for us to see
until we reach Perfection of our Spirits finally.
There is no comfort for the weak in what is written here;
no tolerance for wickedness, no words allaying fear.
There are no souls in Heaven sharing God's own company,
or else there would not be this test of our morality.
The ones who pass will reach the end, the rest of us will die;
the wage of Sin as promised, though religions may deny.
It only stands to Logic that there is no other way,
no lighter yoke, no lesser price that we might have to pay.
So seek the Truth and you'll find God according to His acts,
according to His principles, His precepts and His facts.
You'll free yourself from ignorance and strive to save your genes,
to reach the Final Generation by this only means.
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