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Incog4
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Re: It is because I requested it to be deleted (if you were paying attention).
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After Plsek's fixing of some of the forum software in late 2004, a Moderator can actually delete an ID without deleting the posts associated with it (and can change an ID to another name (such as Unbiased turning into Auld Nick and my NorseAmerican ID being changed back into vikingamerican in early 2004). One does not have to be an Administrator to do so. As I was instrumental in pushing the issue until Zhurn was demoted, I have accomplished my goal of seeing him whine / cry / and b.itch about losing his ability to moderate. Anything after that was gravy. I got to help in the permanent ban of Joe (after he deleted my ID using Zhurn's ID), and I got to help in bringing ZHurn down a peg (even if for but a day). I've accomplished my goal set back in 2004, and didn't have to do much to accomplish it.
As for any alleged collusions between Zhurn and I in 2004, you are again whistling in the wind and are throwing darts against a moving target. The only collusion was between Zhurn and Joe. I wouldn't have been so outspoken about Zhurn if I was colluding with him. I have posted quite a bit obout how Zhurn played Joe and I against each other. I also stated I banned Joe at Zhurn's request (while Zhurn claimed to Joe via email that he knew nothing of what was happening). You only have to connect the dots...... but you keep missing the target (so I have to think for you since your guesses are so far off base).
But as Joe said, that forum is irrelevent. As Zhurn does not practice what he preaches and pits everyone against each other (while making up new stories to keep the lemmings busy), and screams at Moscow that he will leave Pravda if not reinstated as a moderator after Nastasya demoted him during his last tirade. He also still protects many while Hypocritically banning or harrassing others for what the protected do.
I choose to no longer be there as it is a den of idiocy with no means of policing by the owners/editors. Read into this post what you will as I will not be coming back to check your response, but you and Joe have been so off base for so long, you believe your own press.
This post was to be clear so you both didn't guess what transpired (and claim your guess' as facts). Whether you believe me is irrelevent. The fact that I stated the Truth is.
'Nuff said......
VA,
I see and admit that I was out of line to start this thread in this board, but I was operating out of personal resentment at the unfounded and undeserved ridicule and slanders against Joseph that had continued to emanate from Pravda for all of the many years since his brief membership there.
Although you were late for the party, so to speak, your eventual joining of the "anti-Sarandos brigade" did much to increase and perpetuate the attempted assassination of Joseph's true name and established real-life reputation for voluntary, self-endangering and altruistic endeavors against powerful forces that were and are feeding on powerless innocents in America and the world.
As I have always believed, the long and widespread (but ultimately failed) internet-forum campaign to degrade and discredit Joseph's person was nothing less than an attempt to stifle his true information and explanations such as are posted, read and tacitly agreed with by many thousands of daily visitors to his first and current TFTF boards.
As I have always known, the original and now mostly ignored "anti-Sarandos brigade" consisted of a mere handful of anonymous, multi-monikered, persistent and dedicated individuals with hidden agendas and flying false flags, who were adept at "rousing the rabble" in boards such as Pravda.
You were the exception in that group, being a patriotic American with a service record in the Marines and a protective attitude toward our country, and otherwise exhibiting a set of morality-based values. But, you were simultaneously cooperating with the anti-America and anti-democracy owners and managers of the Russia-based Pravda forum.
In my mind, as in the minds of many others, your turning against Joseph "with a vengeance" was based upon your want of personal popularity among his preexistent adversaries (i.e. "Strelnikov," "Plsek" and ilk), along with your great resentment of his single-handed destruction of your long tenure as a voluntary moderator in that anti-America forum.
Because of my unflagging support of Joseph and your unflagging support of his detractors, you and I found ourselves at loggerheads, and you treated me with the same sort of disdain and vice versa.
But now it appears that you've finally acknowledged and accepted Pravda for what it is, which is exactly the same as Joseph's initial and continuous assessment of it, and you have finally severed your ties to it "in its death throes". For me, this marks the end of my "vendetta" with you, along with my interest in what you write about Joseph.
The countable views of this version of The Full Truth Forum show that Joseph has been right and truthful all along, and that his audience rapidly grows in the absence of controversy and false argumentation by anonymous "hecklers" here. You will also notice, as I did, that the general memberships of all other forums have ceased to "pick up on" the now-rare attempts to rekindle flame-wars against Joseph.
My suggestion to you is that you take the time to read-through at least the highest-viewed topics in this board, to consider them open-mindedly, and to add your views as you see fit, without regard for your previous feelings toward Joseph the man. If you'd feel uncomfortable doing so under your "vikingamerican" persona, then adopt a different username for this purpose.
Because you are a pro-America and pro-Constitution vet, I'm sure you'll find little if anything to disagree with here, unless you are a supporter and booster of GWB, his corrupt and inept administration, the bogus State of Israel, and/or the political Zionists who "pull his strings".
Joseph is not "the message," but "the messenger" in this board.
Aaron
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6/9/2006, 8:47 am
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NamVet2
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Re: Joseph, your infamy in "P" is still waning, but not gone yet!
Vikingamerican,
First I must say that I don't know you from Adam, that I recollect seeing your username scarcely mentioned in Chief Sarandos' original TFTF, that I've never visited the "Pravda" forum, and that I have no information other than that contained in this thread as to the history between Chief Sarandos, Aaron and yourself.
Since you are one of us vets, war-time or not, then I can't understand why you had ever taken a stance in favor of the Bush Administration, and I sincerely hope that you do not still support it.
I want you to know that very much of what is posted in this forum becomes copied, privately disseminated and deeply discussed by us members of Veterans Organizations and our relatives and friends via our Email rings, and that other organizations are doing the same via their own rings. This is why only few of us post replies directly in this forum for public scrutiny by detractors of Chief Sarandos from other forums such as the mentioned "Pravda".
For all practical purposes, most of us consider and treat TFTF as a blog, and we consider and treat Chief Sarandos as more an instructor and lecturer than a debater. But, it is not only his topics and information that we read and discuss among ourselves.
If you have pertinent and serious, preferably original contributions to add with regard to the current situations in America and the Mid-East, then I will assure you of a wide audience for them if you post them in this forum, whether or not they conflict with our own views and stances.
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6/9/2006, 10:51 am
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Joseph Sarandos
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Re: Joseph, your infamy in "P" is still waning, but not gone yet!
Alright VA,
I've allowed you the courtesy of having your unedited say in this board, and I have no need or desire to argue the details as you've stated them.
I'll repeat Aaron's statement to the effect that it was a mistake to mention your Pravda username here, especially since the three of us are in agreement that Pravda is no longer relevant and significant.
I'll also echo Greg's and Aaron's suggestions to you should you wish to continue posting here without references to personal issues and past battles.
What you and/or your friends might choose to write about me and/or TFTF at other forums is also of no interest or concern to me, and it is left to the management of those forums to either allow or discourage negative comments about me where I cannot directly answer to them.
Friendship and/or agreement with me is not a requirement for posters here, so anyone who can and will abide by the posted rules and policies is welcome. I will of course make an exception of your post in this thread, but please do not press any of these issues or this attitude any farther if you choose to add posts.
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6/9/2006, 2:29 pm
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Joseph Sarandos
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Re: Joseph, your infamy in "P" is still waning, but not gone yet!
This now inappropriate and insignificant topic has run its course as I see it, but I'll lock it rather than delete it now that vikingamerican has posted a response, and since it continues to be viewed almost daily.
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6/17/2006, 11:49 am
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