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DavyJ1
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Re: Laws vs customs
Well, I certainly hope you are right, Rich, but I'm not sure I share your optimism.
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4/19/2009, 9:22 pm
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Re: Laws vs customs
I'm also not sure I share Rich's optimism. I've been working at a college environment for 20 years now. We get students from all over the country and what I see is that people of that age are becoming much more modest.
A new gym for example, will have individual shower stalls to reflect the fact that even in single gender locker rooms people desire privacy. Activities like streaking, topless sunbathing, and skinny-dipping used to be management issues the administration would have to deal with, but no longer.
I think customs are changing.
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Interesting thread. One problem for getting topfreedom more accepted is that even where it is legal, very few women actually exercise their rights. Topfree is also legal in Ohio, and you will occasionally see topless women at various state parks (some more than others). [Best to use state parks to avoid more restrictive local ordinances, as has been noted] But it is not common anywhere and I suspect NY is the same. So the "custom" against topfreedom remains strong even where it is legal. This causes all sorts of problems, like police and patrons ignorant of the law. How does one change that? Not an easy question.
Well said and I think this dovetails with my post under General Discussion about topfreedom in young/mainstream women, i.e. the real problem is that the custom, in this case the inclination to go topfree, isn't there. This means that the legal fight is harder to win and, in some sense pointless, because women won't exercise that right if/when they do win it anyway. On the other hand, there are many venues where, although technically illegal, topfreedom is tolerated by the authorities and other citizens because there is a solid number of women who prefer to be topfree and the others realize that no real harm is being done.
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5/5/2009, 10:24 am
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Re: Laws vs customs
the problem with young people is that breasts are very sexual. women are afraid that guys will stare at them or hit on them, and other women will think they are a slut. to them, the comfort of being topfree isn't worth the negative attention they will receive.
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5/5/2009, 12:51 pm
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You know, that's a good point. When I think back to when I was 18, yeah, I would not have laid on the beach topless because I thought about my breasts as some kind of goodies that you didn't give away for free like that...which seems like such a strange way to think about it now. On the other hand, in Europe and even to some degree in Miami, you do see 18-20 year old girls topless. Not very often, but...Anyway, I wonder if there's some way to gain acceptance in that age demographic?
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That is the very point. If Breasts (nipples) were more common they would lose the sexual stigma attached to them. For our society this would be a good thing. They would still be looked at because they are beautiful and an attractive adornment on women.
If they were less sexualized would women be spoken to eye to eye and appreciated for who they are and not a cup size? I would hope so.
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Missy, I agree with you 100% about the possible changing attitudes. I think it's a shame many people seem to be getting more conservative with body issues, but the big concern is how that will play out with acceptance and regulations down the road.
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Re: Laws vs customs
Just a thought ... this "modesty" increase may be caused by the exact opposite in other modes of living. For example, in dance clubs today you see more provocative clothing than ever, as well as behavior (flashing boobs, panties, bumping and grinding -- somebody chime in if you dispute this trend because, frankly, I don't go to these places but this is what I hear). In other words, there is a deliberate attempt to sexualize the body, making it harder to sustain the idea that the ultimate expression of it, nudity, is itself not sexual.
Consider, if as a woman you don't particularly dress or act to call attention to your boobs, you may be more open to the idea of nonsexual nudity because you don't have the mindset that you actively promote sexuality through attention to your boobs in dress and behavior. If you do have that mindest (or see others in society acting that way to sexualize boobs), then you may think that any exposure of them in a social setting must be a sexual act. In other words, as societal indicators are more thoroughly sexualizing boobs, not through their (casual) exposure but in calling attention to them, any exposure in any environment is equated with a sexual content and discourages many from baring them in casual public settings. This may trickle down even to same-sex situations like locker rooms.
Thereby, less sexualization would create an attitude of that it is no big deal to have them exposed, that it does not connote sexual content to do so, and therefore more women would do it.
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Re: Laws vs customs
Well said...
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5/7/2009, 6:43 pm
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Re: Laws vs customs
My perspective in regards to the increased modesty is that it has little to do with sexuality. For some it may be an increased concern of being judged and not having a perfect body, but mostly is just seems to be a changing norm to being more conservative in terms of the body.
One can see this in areas not just related to nudity, but body exposure in general. Swimmers for example now wearing jammers or even baggy shorts instead of the traditional, smaller tank suits that were typical 10 years ago. Women wearing bras under spaghetti strap tank tops is another - Nobody did that when I was younger. Now it's the norm.
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