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howard benson
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Rule Changes for 2010 ....
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'Leg side wides - It'll be interesting to see umpires that will have to make decisions when the ball actually goes down the leg side!! Having said that they don't have to think about it just raise their arms'
'1. players will hear the rule has been changed and will assume anything down leg side is a wide'
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Re: Rule Changes for 2010
As an off spin bowler the leg side "generic" rule is a nonsense and really the umpire needs to decide if the bowler is deliberatley bowling a leg side line.
I could pitch a ball on off stump and turn it past leg and in this scenario it would be a wide instead of a good delivery.
At which point is it actualy a wide!!
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Re: Rule Changes for 2010
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As an off spin bowler the leg side "generic" rule is a nonsense and really the umpire needs to decide if the bowler is deliberatley bowling a leg side line.
I could pitch a ball on off stump and turn it past leg and in this scenario it would be a wide instead of a good delivery.
At which point is it actualy a wide!!
I've never had a problem with bowlers who try and bowl legitimate deliveries only for the ball to either swing, seam or turn down the legside, or likewise miles outside off stump.
The question is how many bowlers throw it down the legside because they know umpires wont give a wide? In my opinion over a season teams miss out on hundreds of runs and extra deliveries due to this nature. The rule change can only improve standards over time, and as far as I'm aware it is only going to be considered for the Meyler cup, where runs should be of a premium. If a bowler is good enough to bowl leg stick then that is fine, but like batting you make a mistake and you should face the consequences. After all it is only 1 run, but consistently getting away with will rob the batting team of a realistic score!
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25/Oct/2009, 11:34 am
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The question is how many bowlers throw it down the legside because they know umpires wont give a wide?
The answer is not very many if any at all.
Yoey, nobody disputes the progression a rule change to tighten up leg sides brings along, but to suggest that we have bowlers bowling there deliberately is a bit off the mark I'd say.
Is it not more a reflection on the level we are playing at ?
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Re: Rule Changes for 2010
Walt, you and I know there are some very good bowlers in the league and I'm not saying that many do it. But it does goes on, and I don't think it has anything to do with the standard we play at.
I'm not saying bowlers shouldn't try for leg stump yorkers, but if they get it wrong then the punishment should be a wide, especially in cup competitions. As a captain if I asked one of my bowlers to bowl leg stump yorkers and then they get it wrong so be it.
it's always going to be a bone of contention. Bowlers moan when they get called and batsmen moan when they don't.
When we play in the Lancashire cup or the later stages of the village, before the start of the game, the umpires tell both sides anything down the leg will be wide. Everyone knows this and then no one complains when they get called! For me it concentrates the bowlers thoughts and improves the standard.
At the end of the day it is all about opinions, mine is that it is a progressive move as well as the inclusion of fielding circles!
At the players meeting last year, players were asked for their opinions and the league has listened. Leg side wides, fielding restrictions in the Meyler and more points for a win in the league! As I said before IMO it is excellent to see the league trying to introduce what we as players have asked!
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At the end of the day it is all about opinions, mine is that it is a progressive move as well as the inclusion of fielding circles!
At the players meeting last year, players were asked for their opinions and the league has listened. Leg side wides, fielding restrictions in the Meyler and more points for a win in the league! As I said before IMO it is excellent to see the league trying to introduce what we as players have asked!
Yoey, I agree totally. I speak as a bowler (or at least I was once) who got the benefit of the doubt in the leg side wides all too often, but there is no doubt this is a step in the right direction.
I just speak from personal experience, in that I generally tried to bowl pretty straight and sometimes speared a few down the legside. Should they have been wided ? Absolutely YES, Did I mean to bowl there ? NO
Then Again, there are those bowlers who actually know where they are putting it !!
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Re: Rule Changes for 2010
I can't argue with any of the changes really. It does signal our intent to be firmly 'short format' (one day-ish) cricket - that appeals verses the longer versions of the game to me anyways (i.e. NL etc)
As for leg side wides - I understand the reason for the change and agree it is progressive.... Even if it does favour the batsmen of the game and means I am fooked for my leg stick yorker though! Well the one that goes wrong!! 
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Re: Rule Changes for 2010
As long as the legside rule is applied evenly there's no problem. and lets face it, its only going to affect half the teams for ONE game anyway! They won't be in the next round.
And if a bowler strays down leg attempting a yorker, tough! lol The rule doesn't particularly favour batsment that much. If you leg it, you deserved to be punished - simples.
As for TCC's comment re short and long format, all amateur cricket at our level is short format and always has been. The only recent change has been the introduction of win/lose and abolition of draws. Even draws don't make it long version and the NL only play 50 overs as opposed to our 45, so hardly "long version". I wouldn't say the league has shown any directed "intent" - they've just responded to the wishes of the clubs
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I can't argue with any of the changes really. It does signal our intent to be firmly 'short format' (one day-ish) cricket - that appeals verses the longer versions of the game to me anyways (i.e. NL etc)
As for leg side wides - I understand the reason for the change and agree it is progressive.... Even if it does favour the batsmen of the game and means I am fooked for my leg stick yorker though! Well the one that goes wrong!!
So your most regular delivery then? 
Out in Lancaster tonight? 
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Re: Rule Changes for 2010
Cod - Mis read this whole post re leg side wides seems I missed the Meyler only part!
I bow to your judgement that the extra 5 overs makes NL short or as appealing - I am sure you have had plenty NL games to know how it feels. But 9am meets and late returns for the 50 over format do make it longer format for some.
Splitting hairs imo
Cobes - yes mate in Lancaster for a few 2nite
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