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JamPotter
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Just read an interesting argument and proposal to replace the ever complicated duckworth/lewis rubbish!

In my opinion both these would work a treat in the PS in a rain reduced second innings and they are pretty simple!

OPTION 1: The score required by the side batting second would be the same as that of the side batting first after the same overs. Simple!

Eg. Side batting first was 150 after 27 overs then thats the score to beat after 27 overs for the side batting second. Easy! All the umpires (and most scorers) note the scores at the end of the overs anyway so its easy to manage.

OPTION 2: Side batting second must meet run rate of the side batting first.

EG. First innings side scores 180 off 35 overs @ 5.15. Then side batting second chases a score of: 103 after 20 overs, 129 after 25, 155 after 30 etc. The score show is the par score so the side batting second must score more than this.

Some basic rules to throw in like minimum overs etc and some tinkering and it would be easy!

It doesn't solve the problem of a side batting first in a game reduced by rain but it does provide a target for the second innings that we don't have at the moment
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Would encourage even less sides to bat first especially on a day when rain is forecast.

Massive advantage to the side batting second. Can go hell for leather knowing they have x number of overs and 10 wickets in the hutch if for example rain came at tea or in the first innings. If the rain break was in the second innings with a side say 60-2 in 15 and the revised target was 120 in 30 well, game over just about.
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Yeah I thought that as I typed. Its an advantage now batting second (in the rain) and this wouldn't change anything.

Oh well - at least its easier to work out than D/L method.

How on earth England only had 11 runs knocked off for the loss of 5 overs on Sunday I'll never understand! Regardless of wickets lost thats just a farce!
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Re: The rain rules

Granted, duckworth and Lewis is tricky.

However, something needs doing to level the field.

Lets say the side batting first gets 220 off 45 overs (5 an over)on a muggy hot summers day.

Then a thunderstorm during tea means the side batting second only has 25 overs to get 220! Thats almost 9 an over! Hard enough to maintain over a 25 over innings let alone 45.

So at present, if you think it will rain, bat first!

I don't think it's as straight forward as taking the 25 over score, runs generally accelerate at the end of an innings (though not always)

Also, it's not fair to take the bog standard run rate as I reckon its easier to get 125 off 25 with 10 wickets, than score 220 off 45 with 10.

So, if D/L is too complex, how about this....

Whatever the side batting first gets, the run rate is calculated (in my example 5 an over)

That run rate is multiplied by the available overs for the side batting second (125 in my example)

In addition, add 1% of the target, for every overs difference between innings (in my example 20, so 25 runs added) This would be the "premium" to offset the fact that you can basically bat like a 20-20 side!

OK, it's not perfect, but its somewhere near D/L but at least can be worked out with pen and paper and seems somewhere between being unfair to either side
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so, if sides accelerate in the last 20 overs or so and it pees down after side batting first has completed 45. Side batting second has 25 overs, why not take the score totalled in the last 25 rather than the first 25?

Oh and PS should be playing 100 overs, much better game and gives more bowlers a chance of a bowl especially those limited to overs in spells, plus more chance for a bat and not having to smash it around the ground from the start for young lads batting late on.

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Codskip - I usual agree (n parts) to your posts but that one is a million miles away from were we need to be!!!

& Gut - 90 over cricket is a 'selling' point of the PS at the moment - but take on board your point (can't see it happening though...)
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With the need to input the scores online, probably over the internet via mobile, would it not be possible to have a Duckworth/Lewis calculating tool on the website?
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Probably Whitt, but you need it during the game, not after! emoticon
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CodSkip wrote:

Probably Whitt, but you need it during the game, not after! emoticon

Whilst you're off for rain you could get onto the site with your mobile phone and just before you go back on, plug in the numbers like you do for entering results, which then gives the revised target.

The same could be done for 1st innings that are reduced in overs during the course of the innings at tea.
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I'm struggling to get online on my phone since my girlfriend put my spangly N95 through the washer.............. ;/
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